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Post by bernythedolt on Feb 12, 2022 1:24:28 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Feb 12, 2022 9:32:58 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Feb 12, 2022 9:35:52 GMT
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Post by travolta on Feb 12, 2022 10:40:04 GMT
Maybe.......but a Mayor is a political appointment and I, for one, would like to see the Met as separate and not in anyone's gift.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 12, 2022 10:46:10 GMT
Maybe.......but a Mayor is a political appointment No, the Mayor of London is directly elected by the people of London. Unlike either the Home Sec (politically appointed by the PM) and the PM (politically appointed by members of the majority party in the HoC)... Neither Patel nor Johnson have been directly elected to anything other than as MPs, and they don't even NEED to be MPs to hold their jobs.
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Post by registerme on Feb 12, 2022 10:59:56 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 12, 2022 11:12:20 GMT
Maybe.......but a Mayor is a political appointment No, the Mayor of London is directly elected by the people of London. Unlike either the Home Sec (politically appointed by the PM) and the PM (politically appointed by members of the majority party in the HoC)... Neither Patel nor Johnson have been directly elected to anything other than as MPs, and they don't even NEED to be MPs to hold their jobs. I think are missing travolta 's real point, whether by oversight or deliberately. The full comment was : but a Mayor is a political appointment and I, for one, would like to see the Met as separate and not in anyone's gift.In that context, I think it is reasonable to assume that what was meant was "the Mayor is a political role....." In other words she is stating a desire that the appointment of the head of the met be taken out of the hands of politicians. A not unreasonable desire, even if in practise that might be impractical.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 12, 2022 11:28:42 GMT
I think are missing travolta 's real point, whether by oversight or deliberately. The full comment was : but a Mayor is a political appointment and I, for one, would like to see the Met as separate and not in anyone's gift.In that context, I think it is reasonable to assume that what was meant was "the Mayor is a political role....." In other words she is stating a desire that the appointment of the head of the met be taken out of the hands of politicians. A not unreasonable desire, even if in practise that might be impractical. If that's what travolta meant, then I did indeed miss it. So who would do the appointment instead? And wouldn't that bring the risk of cries of <checks 2016 notes> "unelected bureaucrats"...? Bear in mind Chief Constables of every force are legally required to be appointed by P&CCs, and it would require a law change for it to be elsewise... www.gov.uk/government/publications/circular-0132018-selection-and-appointment-of-chief-officers/selection-and-appointment-of-chief-officersForces outside London* - www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/13/part/1/chapter/5/crossheading/police-forces-outside-london/enactedMet* is the only one that's appointed by the Home Sec's involvement, in consultation with the Mayor of London - www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/13/section/42/enacted...and since the Home Sec is a political appointee, while the Mayor is not... * - No, I don't know why the City of London police seems to have been forgotten in that legislation, either.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 12, 2022 12:43:22 GMT
I think are missing travolta 's real point, whether by oversight or deliberately. The full comment was : but a Mayor is a political appointment and I, for one, would like to see the Met as separate and not in anyone's gift.In that context, I think it is reasonable to assume that what was meant was "the Mayor is a political role....." In other words she is stating a desire that the appointment of the head of the met be taken out of the hands of politicians. A not unreasonable desire, even if in practise that might be impractical. If that's what travolta meant, then I did indeed miss it. So who would do the appointment instead? And wouldn't that bring the risk of cries of <checks 2016 notes> "unelected bureaucrats"...? Bear in mind Chief Constables of every force are legally required to be appointed by P&CCs, and it would require a law change for it to be elsewise... www.gov.uk/government/publications/circular-0132018-selection-and-appointment-of-chief-officers/selection-and-appointment-of-chief-officersForces outside London* - www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/13/part/1/chapter/5/crossheading/police-forces-outside-london/enactedMet* is the only one that's appointed by the Home Sec's involvement, in consultation with the Mayor of London - www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/13/section/42/enacted...and since the Home Sec is a political appointee, while the Mayor is not... * - No, I don't know why the City of London police seems to have been forgotten in that legislation, either.I agree that it is most likely impractical, and perhaps not even desirable. I didn't state I agreed with it, but I get its face value attraction. Ultimately though, performance of the policing function has to be politically accountable, as do agreed policing priorities, and therefore the heads of the forces have to ultimately be accountable to the elected politicians and through them to the electorate. There are other checks and balances which ensure - or should ensure - that policing is done 'without fear or favour'. And I agree that concept is embedded in the PCCs, although I think it was effectively embedded in their predecessor's in the form of the Police Authorities. And in general I ain't in favour of the PCCs as I think they are well paid sinecure's for people to contribute very little that wasn't effectively already being done through the PAs.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 12, 2022 13:27:45 GMT
Guessing he means Anil "Neil" Basu, former assistant commissioner Spec Ops
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Post by adrianc on Feb 12, 2022 13:40:45 GMT
By "Basu", I presume you mean Bas Javid? Guessing he means Anil "Neil" Basu, former assistant commissioner Spec Ops Ah, of course. I'd forgotten about him.
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Post by keitha on Feb 12, 2022 15:27:01 GMT
Neil Basu, and this friend is indian ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 15:31:22 GMT
Just so I can consider reading back through this thread
Has anyone here worked for Ms Dick or do they know her?
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Post by keitha on Feb 12, 2022 15:41:43 GMT
Is it a sign of how misogynist Sadiq Khan is that he forced her out, I've been told by a friend in London this morning that had the commissioner been male the force would be on strike by now because of "political interference" Same friend also says that Khan has assured Basu the job is his. If what your friend is saying is true then would it not support the case that she should go as she has clearly failed to adequately address any misogynistic tendencies within the ‘force’? I think some of the sticking together of the Police , and the looking after their own. ( Have to say it comes with a lot of the Unions ) I know of a case where a serving officer was convicted of a serious offence. the next day he reported sick and was allowed to retire within a month on ill health grounds which meant he did not face the disciplinary action that could have cost his pension, in another where an investigation was launched into misuse of computers in a fire station the signing in book that was chained to the desk in the entrance disappeared
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Post by tallsuk on Feb 12, 2022 22:44:24 GMT
If what your friend is saying is true then would it not support the case that she should go as she has clearly failed to adequately address any misogynistic tendencies within the ‘force’? I think some of the sticking together of the Police , and the looking after their own. ( Have to say it comes with a lot of the Unions ) I know of a case where a serving officer was convicted of a serious offence. the next day he reported sick and was allowed to retire within a month on ill health grounds which meant he did not face the disciplinary action that could have cost his pension, in another where an investigation was launched into misuse of computers in a fire station the signing in book that was chained to the desk in the entrance disappeared I think that the IPCC are not allowed to investigate officers who have resigned and therefore this is a common route for wrong doers to leave with a clean record and without the force losing any face.
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