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Post by travolta on Apr 1, 2022 15:10:07 GMT
Bathless Groggins eh?
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Apr 1, 2022 15:41:09 GMT
Living alone 4.8kWh of battery covers most days, my March bill less export is £35 of credit. In fact checking back Since the end of November with my export and cheap import i'm £10 in credit I do run the Dishwasher and Washing machine overnight at the 5p rate. If I look at my usage of just over 800kWh I'd have paid at least £250 for electricity over those 4 months so a £260 return on the investment. At £65/mo, how long to recoup your investment? a little over 9 years but the return will be a lot better between now and the end of October. I expect those months to return about £100 a month so say 7 months @ £100 plus 5 Months @ £65 which brings it down under 7 years
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Post by mikeb on Apr 3, 2022 14:09:14 GMT
Is it ? Are you sure about that. Entering lower figures is closer to fraud. Well I'm not a lawyer, or a policeman, but fraud is "deceit, trickery specifically: intentional perversion of truth in order to indce another to part with some of value etc". I would think that falsely inflating your consumption of something so as to forward pay at a lower rate would qualify. You would think that falsely inflating someone's estimated gas consumption by a factor of about 8, then over-billing them using this, would be considered equally fraudulent, but it's just situation normal at certain suppliers. Or constantly hiking a monthly DD payment "because you'll be owing us money" when I'm in credit, gaining credit, and you won't give it back. Also situation normal. Estimate != "WILD GUESS always in our favour" -- I have never seen an energy company *under* estimate usage. See also BT pre-paid line rental. "Hi, your pre-paid line rental is going up. Here's a refund at the old rate that you didn't ask for, and a re-billing at the new rate.You're welcome!" I already paid for that. You don't get to bill me again. Oh wait, BTonomics. Anything goes.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 3, 2022 19:03:18 GMT
Well I'm not a lawyer, or a policeman, but fraud is "deceit, trickery specifically: intentional perversion of truth in order to indce another to part with some of value etc". I would think that falsely inflating your consumption of something so as to forward pay at a lower rate would qualify. You would think that falsely inflating someone's estimated gas consumption by a factor of about 8, then over-billing them using this, would be considered equally fraudulent, but it's just situation normal at certain suppliers. Or constantly hiking a monthly DD payment "because you'll be owing us money" when I'm in credit, gaining credit, and you won't give it back. Also situation normal. Estimate != "WILD GUESS always in our favour" -- I have never seen an energy company *under* estimate usage.See also BT pre-paid line rental. "Hi, your pre-paid line rental is going up. Here's a refund at the old rate that you didn't ask for, and a re-billing at the new rate.You're welcome!" I already paid for that. You don't get to bill me again. Oh wait, BTonomics. Anything goes. We have actually had to argue with gas/electric suppliers that they have reduced our payments and we know we are going to have underpaid at the end of the year, really irritating when you seem to be talking to 'children' who don't understand the difference between summer and winter consumption.
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Apr 3, 2022 22:17:14 GMT
I had exactly that issue with EON when I first moved here, my first bill was January to March and because I was £30 in debt they wanted to increase my payments by £20 a month, the idiot on the other end tried to say I would use more gas heating water for showers in Summer than Winter
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Post by mogish on Apr 5, 2022 11:36:55 GMT
Bulb want to increase my monthly dd. I'm sure last time I reduced this and did a top up.
Seems this time I cant reduce the monthly payment by more than 10%.
Anyone else finding this?
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Apr 5, 2022 22:45:19 GMT
Can you reduce DD by 10% today and another 10% tomorrow
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Post by moonraker on Apr 6, 2022 7:03:31 GMT
Some people might compare giving inflated meter readings in March and paying at the pre-hike rate to buying first- and second-class stamps in March and paying at the pre-hike rate.
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Post by mikeb on Apr 10, 2022 15:25:15 GMT
Some people might compare giving inflated meter readings in March and paying at the pre-hike rate to buying first- and second-class stamps in March and paying at the pre-hike rate. The only difference between Martin Lewis encouraging people to save/make money by buying all your stamps for the year ahead at £oldrate then using them at £newrate to make a saving/profit, and yet specifically telling people NOT to mess about sending artificially high readings to "pre-pay" their electricity/gas for a month, months, year ahead ... to make the same mathematical saving ... is that in one case Royal Mail are aware that it happens, and incentivise this behaviour by saying stamps with "1st" and "2nd" are valid at the prevailing rate at the time of USE. The energy companies don't have anything in the contract to say "you can pre-buy your energy in a rising market, and hold off buying it in a falling market, by manipulating readings". Any fiddling like that is the energy company's job, pre-buying their energy when its cheap, and then pretending they didn't do that so they can pass on the increases in wholesale gas/elec the moment something happens 
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Post by agent69 on Apr 10, 2022 15:30:47 GMT
Had a letter from EDF yesterday asking me to send them my meter reading. Wonder what I should say?
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Post by mogish on Apr 11, 2022 11:49:23 GMT
Hopefully 50 quid wi going it's way towards me from Scottish power as compensation for the woeful service experience when trying to submit meter readings and request a final bill for a deceased property.
Used the excuse as big call influx due to meter readings.... bs, so have had a terrible record for years.
I've no idea how these firms stay in business!
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Post by benaj on Apr 11, 2022 12:09:14 GMT
Had a letter from EDF yesterday asking me to send them my meter reading. Wonder what I should say? 😅 I haven’t been a customer of EDF a while. However, I understand my current supplier thinks I have a “2nd” reading. It must exist in the parallel universe but I always “submit” one. 🤣🤣🤣 Actually, it’s a pain, it reduces my choice of switching due to the “economy” meter! 🤬
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Post by benaj on Apr 27, 2022 9:25:57 GMT
“Our system ran into a problem and didn’t save that ”
That’s the error message when you submit readings to one of the big 6.
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Post by benaj on Apr 27, 2022 17:35:05 GMT
Oh yes , MSE advised this. Im with bulb on a smart meter...does that mean I can be lazy as the meter will be in real time? British Gas admits its smart meter customers have been unable to track their energy usage via the app or website for more than two months I wonder why … Hardly give a f*** for two months.
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