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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 18:25:19 GMT
The US situation is far worse than just the internal murder rate. The production rate in the US is far higher than the natural consumption rate which means these things are going elsewhere. That elsewhere is the states south of the USA. The arrival of cheap, slightly used guns in Central and South America is a major source of destabilisation in those regions much as the Kalashnikov rifle is a major source of destabilisation in Asia and Africa.
The gun is a dumb thing to have a dumb thing to sell to poorer people.
Over 100 million Kalashnikovs have been made and sold to ruin so many lives
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 4, 2022 19:04:00 GMT
I had a friend who had a licence to have (legal) guns, he kept them at home but the guns had to be stored in a secure gun store in the house (not under the bed), to prevent theft or any minors etc getting access, the ammunition had to be stored at his gun club/shooting range or whatever it was called. This was a few years ago so I don't know if the rules have got tighter or looser. That's interesting: I thought that current legislation required separate storage e.g. at gun club, but I'm sure one of my (licensed) friends told me around 2-3 years ago that wasn't the case. Whiuch I was surprised about. But maybe I didn't ask the question he thought I was asking. I think the logic was the guns were expensive so the gun club didn't want the responsibility + a lot of guns in one place. So they keep the ammo but not the guns.
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Post by travolta on Jul 4, 2022 20:49:30 GMT
Mine is frequently behind the back door , although there is a gun cabinet. Sometimes its used as many as five times a day.
'Behind the door,her father kept a shotgun' springs to mind ... ' he kept it in the spring time and in the month of May'
although its mostly squirrel , all year round .
SAS keep our deer down. They have licences.
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Post by ozboy on Jul 4, 2022 21:16:23 GMT
I'm a Member of a Shoot, have had two shotguns for decades, and live in London. The Met Plod doesn't seem to be overly bothered about ammunition but you must definitely keep yer guns in a VERY robust, obviously lockable, metal gun cabinet, firmly bolted to a solid wall, AND the gun cabinet must be "out of sight". Total No-No having the thing as a feature in yer living room.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 4, 2022 23:15:01 GMT
I'm a Member of a Shoot, have had two shotguns for decades, and live in London. The Met Plod doesn't seem to be overly bothered about ammunition but you must definitely keep yer guns in a VERY robust, obviously lockable, metal gun cabinet, firmly bolted to a solid wall, AND the gun cabinet must be "out of sight". Total No-No having the thing as a feature in yer living room. The rules have tightened a little since I first started shooting nearly 40 years ago. These days your shotgun certificate is required to be shown in order to purchase cartridges, which didn't used to apply. At one time, anyone could legally store them, too, but now it's certificate holders only. As for the shotgun certificate, many Constabularies, including mine, insist on the holder paying for a private GP medical report at each renewal. Didn't used to apply, but seems sensible. Also the police here now conduct an inspection visit at each renewal (5 yearly) to check the gun cabinet and general security arrangements. That used to be done "on the nod" (by phone call) at one time, with no physical visit made. Things have slowly been tightened and probably for the best.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 5, 2022 0:18:16 GMT
It's very easy to get a shotgun certificate. Strictly speaking you don't need to provide any reason; the police should only deny it if they are confident you don't have a good reason (assuming you are sane, of good character, etc) - and in the case of a shotgun certificate what counts as a good reason is so broad as to include just about everyone. FACs are a different story and usually you need to show that you have access to, or own, somewhere to shoot a rifle (owning some land is typically sufficient). Easy to lose it too. Hundreds get revoked. I personally know two people who had their guns taken away. The first was a martial arts type who got embroiled in a motoring argument with some binmen who refused to move their truck. A really quiet, unassuming chap - we didn't even know he was a karate expert. His story was, he asked them to move, they got lippy with him, things turned sour, they came at him and he decked a couple in self-defence. The other, many years later, was a shooting friend who stupidly, really stupidly, made a throwaway comment when he lost his rag arguing with his council on the phone one day. Never the most articulate man, out of sheer frustration he said something foolish and unthinkingly, along the lines of, "It's not like I'm holding my gun to your head. All I'm asking for is <whatever>.....". Idiot. That's all it took. Council reported it, police took his licence and guns away, and the sport he'd enjoyed for several decades was over. This one seemed a bit on the harsh side, but it is what it is. The council official was sufficiently concerned, so that's that. Frustration, impatience, a short fuse... rein it in, even on the telephone, or risk losing your certificate. You cannot afford to come to notice with the police like this, who always have to err on the side of caution where firearms are concerned. Note to self: must cut down the arguments I get embroiled in on this forum...
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