p2pfan
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Post by p2pfan on Oct 6, 2022 16:11:05 GMT
Interesting - and rather frightening - article in today's Telegraph which I've posted below. The reference to alternative lenders to banks and the world of shadow banking reminds me of P2P platforms. The article poses a critical question: "Do these alternative investors have the appropriate risk management skills and controls in place to cope with the losses if companies and consumers start defaulting en masse amid rising borrowing costs and a strengthening dollar?" What do you think? " Brace yourself for nasty surprises from the financial system A genuine crisis tends to come out of the clear blue sky, only obvious in hindsight... it creates opportunities for non-bank financial institutions to undercut lenders and steal their business and clients. Welcome to the world of shadow banking. By definition, since this activity is not being undertaken by systemically-important banks, it is not so tightly regulated or closely monitored. The worry, as expressed by Gordon Brown, is that pockets of potentially risky activity may have built up that nobody really knows about or don’t properly understand. ... Do these alternative investors have the appropriate risk management skills and controls in place to cope with the losses if companies and consumers start defaulting en masse amid rising borrowing costs and a strengthening dollar? Here’s hoping. And, if not, can we be sure no individual firm is so big or interlinked with others that it sets off a chain reaction? Fingers crossed." <snip - remaining text redacted due to copyright infringement>
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aju
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Post by aju on Oct 7, 2022 10:04:05 GMT
Yes it is rather interesting and developing time over the last couple of weeks and wondering where all this may end up is somewhat of a cwap game for want of a nicer term. When RS and Zopa quit the P2P game (Why do they all want to be a bank ) Mrs Aju insisted we pair back our gambles so she has enough money to spend herself!. I have sat back and accepted that as pensioners we have to be very careful how we spread our money around and it won't last forever although to be fair we are very fortunate to have the more lucrative DB pensions and also our state pensions add to these staples. As a result and reading these recent interesting articles in the times and the telegraph it's clear things are probably going to get somewhat rocky. The Gas and electric bills are our biggest issue at present even though we have a relatively modern house the build quality and insulation leaves a lot to be desired. At present we are concentrating our funds on safer - lower returns of course - options until things become a lot clearer.
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angrysaveruk
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Post by angrysaveruk on Oct 9, 2022 10:12:04 GMT
As a result and reading these recent interesting articles in the times and the telegraph it's clear things are probably going to get somewhat rocky. The Gas and electric bills are our biggest issue at present even though we have a relatively modern house the build quality and insulation leaves a lot to be desired. Although I am in a fortunate position not to be effected as much as some by the increased living costs, I have seen it as a personal challenge to try to reduce electricity and gas consumption as much as possible. To be honest I have been amazed at how much we have been able to reduce it by. Using advanced psychological methods I managed to get my wife onboard*. Firstly I purchased one of those plugs you can get that tell you how much electricity things are using. It became obvious that anything to do with heat generation needs to be reduced. By changing cooking methods (microwave, less oven use, cooking larger quantities at once) and the use electric blankets and throws rather than the central heating (great investment). I have also started to install a wood burner in the Kitchen / TV room which is the main room for when it gets very cold. I live near a large private forest, which I walk in most evenings and can pick up a couple of fallen branches for heating. I estimate we can reduce our energy consumption by 75% without too much discomfort. I would imagine alot of people could reduce their energy consumption by 50% quite easily.
*(download dire warning about climate change and warnings about energy shortages with old folks freezing to death)
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Post by df on Oct 9, 2022 21:37:47 GMT
Yes it is rather interesting and developing time over the last couple of weeks and wondering where all this may end up is somewhat of a cwap game for want of a nicer term. When RS and Zopa quit the P2P game (Why do they all want to be a bank ) Mrs Aju insisted we pair back our gambles so she has enough money to spend herself!. I have sat back and accepted that as pensioners we have to be very careful how we spread our money around and it won't last forever although to be fair we are very fortunate to have the more lucrative DB pensions and also our state pensions add to these staples. As a result and reading these recent interesting articles in the times and the telegraph it's clear things are probably going to get somewhat rocky. The Gas and electric bills are our biggest issue at present even though we have a relatively modern house the build quality and insulation leaves a lot to be desired. At present we are concentrating our funds on safer - lower returns of course - options until things become a lot clearer. My peak proportion of funds (27.58%) in P2P was in Q1 of 2019. It fell to 15% since, about third of this money is locked in Col, Ly, MT, FS and ABL. I don't want to speculate about ABL as it's not in administration, but for the other four it is quite obvious that most of it is a loss. So my real position is probably just above 10% of funds in p2p. The rest is in FSCS protected savings accounts. I don't see the urge to completely disengage from p2p yet, but prefer to keep it as low as it is for now and likely even lower in near future. For the past few months I was busy bouncing funds between savings accounts because new better offers appearing on almost weekly basis, difficult to say what's my exact average return from banks is atm, but I think it is at approximately 2.4%.
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Post by overthehill on Nov 13, 2023 14:58:08 GMT
Another prevalent and prescient article for P2P and there is always a subliminal message with most HL news articles despite the visible balancing act i.e. investing in shares, funds, inv trusts with us could be a better option nudge nudge wink wink !
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firedog
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Post by firedog on Nov 13, 2023 15:25:16 GMT
I don't understand what's prescient about that article? Seems a standard summary of the risks of buy-to-let, the likes of which I've read a dozen times.
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Post by overthehill on Nov 13, 2023 15:31:56 GMT
I don't understand what's prescient about that article? Seems a standard summary of the risks of buy-to-let, the likes of which I've read a dozen times.
The buy to let sums have been heading in one direction for 6 or 7 years i.e worse. A lot of developments rely on buy to let for their exit.
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Post by benaj on Nov 13, 2023 16:24:55 GMT
Is there better option? TBH, I don't know much after the future if and only if everything get's blown up.
UK and EU stock performance? not great. Better alternative? US. MSFT 14.6% increase in the last 3 months. Is it war proof? certainly not. Land registry index? Not too bad for the last 10 years depending the bricks. UK P2P? Less bad news in the past 5 years after administrations and wind downs, still far from secure. Green investment in the UK? ....
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