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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Oct 26, 2022 21:58:17 GMT
Having hidden posts from a swathe of posters (Nothing personal just need to be able to read the forum quicker) this may have already been mentioned... Smart meters can be cut off remotely, usually not used but technically possible. People with essential needs for electricity supply are usually registered with the relevant provider (as opposed to supplier) and protection/back up is provided in the case of protracted outages. The school of though that the smart meter listens in on your conversations and watches your behaviour are however not true. the problem with that would be that only smart meters could be disconnected. Which apart from being unfair, would further discourage people from having a smart meter. I doubt the technology could be used that 'surgically' currently. I was merely highlighting the 'potential'. Choosing a smart meter is not entirely optional long term given all new and replaced meter will be smart (obviously a tiny amount will not work for various reasons). And yes maybe it would be 'unfair' currently, but longer term if/when shortages are still a factor would it be unfair to exercise a bit of 'supply throttling' to persistent high users? Plenty of scope for making smart meters an attractive option, simple by introducing variable rates to match supply, these could obviously only be given to recordable usage at given times. Mostly irrelevant currently as demand for installations is exceeding the ability to install.
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Post by jlend on Oct 27, 2022 6:16:19 GMT
There are already features built into smart meters for DSR (Demand Side Response) that may be used one day to switch on an off individual appliances in your home if energy demand gets too high. This isn't currently used. www.smartme.co.uk/load-control.htmlHowever there are already other automated demand side response technology out there. There are smart EV charges where the supplier chooses when to charge your car subject to certain parameters you enter. There are heat pump trials where the supplier takes control of your heat pump to tweak when it is on around the peak times. The more common DSR are the tariff like E7, Octopus Go and for a few Octopus Agile used by a variety of technology solutions in the home. In the future nodal time of use tariffs are expected to be available where you pay a local rate of electricity every 30min. A node being very much smaller than the current regions for electricity prices. Then there are the add on options we are now getting like Octopus Saving Sessions which work with existing tariff. The energy market will look very different in the future.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Oct 27, 2022 7:08:16 GMT
Hence the motorhome post. It's on my drive. Costs next to nothing to cook my dinner etc if the house power gets cut of for an hour or 2. I also have some camping stoves, not butane but petrol, bit dodgy to use in the house but great as a back up to everything else. I've got 2 Coleman's, last time I looked they were about £90.
All these Van life people with solar panels, battery banks and gas bottles are not even going to notice if we have power cuts. I have been thinking for quite some time the best investment is to be able to produce your own energy and grow your own food. I have had a dream about installing a working wind turbine and sending a picture of it to the management at AC for a while now. The UK seems totally dependent on overseas countries lending us money to buy food and energy, which is obviously madness. When the farming subsidies are removed there are going to be some great deals on properties with a bit of arable land.
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Post by keitha on Oct 27, 2022 9:27:22 GMT
There are already features built into smart meters for DSR (Demand Side Response) that may be used one day to switch on an off individual appliances in your home if energy demand gets too high. This isn't currently used. www.smartme.co.uk/load-control.htmlHowever there are already other automated demand side response technology out there. There are smart EV charges where the supplier chooses when to charge your car subject to certain parameters you enter. There are heat pump trials where the supplier takes control of your heat pump to tweak when it is on around the peak times. The more common DSR are the tariff like E7, Octopus Go and for a few Octopus Agile used by a variety of technology solutions in the home. In the future nodal time of use tariffs are expected to be available where you pay a local rate of electricity every 30min. A node being very much smaller than the current regions for electricity prices. Then there are the add on options we are now getting like Octopus Saving Sessions which work with existing tariff. The energy market will look very different in the future. one thing we need to get away from is paying for "curtailment". Many of the turbines local to me have been mostly stationary for a couple of months. Because they are being paid not to produce electricity ! To me if they pay me 2p kWh not to produce electricity and 5P to produce it then I'm taking the 2p because there will be no wear and tear on the turbine. Curtailment in the UK last year meant that producers were paid not to produce as much energy as Wales uses. Surely it would be better to take this electricity and sell it cheap so people with green technology would charge EVs, batteries, run heat Pumps, top up hot water tanks etc I know it's the concept behind products such as Agile, and to be honest I see a 3 rate tariff becoming the norm, ie cheap overnight, standard the rest of the time except 4-7 which would be peak. At the moment people who don't use much at peak subsidise those who do, as the network charges a premium for transmission at that time ( I believe it's about 10p kWh ). The average user uses 19% or so of the daily usage in that peak rate. We need to get technology working better with electricity. I for one would be happy for Octopus to control my battery IF the financials made sense. I'd also be happy for them to control when my dishwasher, and washing machine come on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 9:32:28 GMT
That would require power storage to be invested in
1) Methane storage is pretty much all closed down as it was "too expensive" to do..... 2) Water storage takes a lot of investment and is often called "too expensive"... 3) Battery power, GRID investment might interest, often uses used car batteries
4) Hydrogen gas with electrolysers, share prices in this area very very low both NEL and ITM are at the bottom of their swing right now. Not a recommendation but worth research 5) Liquid Methane in ships off the dock.... the easy, very expensive solution
Logically turbines should be making hydrogen or charging batteries when they have no demand...
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Post by adrianc on Oct 27, 2022 9:36:38 GMT
I'd also be happy for them to control when my dishwasher, and washing machine come on. Control? Nope. Incentivise? Yep. Having just replaced our old dishy (1hr 30min cycle) with a shiny new bunnyhug one (3hr 45min cycle), I've certainly become a lot more conscious of the finish time. If I'm putting that thing on NOW, it's likely because I want the stuff that's in it asap. The exception is if it's on overnight, when it's unlikely that there's a demand issue. Likewise with the washing machine - that tends to go on first thing in the morning - and if it looks like it's going to be a decent drying day, then there's at least two loads going through it. Again, yes, it could be on overnight - probably on a timer, so it's not sat closed for hours full... But, of course, we still have the perennial issue of comms to smart meters. No mobile signal here. None. On any network. And SMETS2 smart meters use GSM currently to talk back to base.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 9:46:50 GMT
we have no phone signal here, but our smart meter is chatting with home station, it does have an aerial extension and we monitored for a bit to ensure it worked and was pretty pleased it worked
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Post by keitha on Oct 27, 2022 9:54:08 GMT
LOL ITM lost 30% this morning.
can you tell me what you are going to recommend as sells for next week and I'll get in.
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Post by keitha on Oct 27, 2022 9:56:00 GMT
I'd also be happy for them to control when my dishwasher, and washing machine come on. Control? Nope. Incentivise? Yep. Having just replaced our old dishy (1hr 30min cycle) with a shiny new bunnyhug one (3hr 45min cycle), I've certainly become a lot more conscious of the finish time. If I'm putting that thing on NOW, it's likely because I want the stuff that's in it asap. The exception is if it's on overnight, when it's unlikely that there's a demand issue. Likewise with the washing machine - that tends to go on first thing in the morning - and if it looks like it's going to be a decent drying day, then there's at least two loads going through it. Again, yes, it could be on overnight - probably on a timer, so it's not sat closed for hours full... But, of course, we still have the perennial issue of comms to smart meters. No mobile signal here. None. On any network. And SMETS2 smart meters use GSM currently to talk back to base. and of course it's now "old technology" so will be turned off in the next few years
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 10:14:11 GMT
LOL ITM lost 30% this morning. can you tell me what you are going to recommend as sells for next week and I'll get in. Well I sold vast majority north of £6 and considering going back in again as this latest price is approaching my original 41p buy. I offer no advice, only opinions.
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Post by mogish on Oct 27, 2022 11:39:26 GMT
LOL ITM lost 30% this morning. can you tell me what you are going to recommend as sells for next week and I'll get in. Well I sold vast majority north of £6 and considering going back in again as this latest price is approaching my original 41p buy. I offer no advice, only opinions. Why has ITM dropped? Is this due to potential wind fall taxes?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 12:03:51 GMT
The ITM story
High Tech CEO, with no sales experience Strategic plan to trust Shell (fossil fuel sales company) and Linde ((fossil fuel consuming company) to sell their goods Built a factory Orders not coming CEO resigns Lots of cash, large work force of techi types
In prep for new CEO to take on, so a fair bit of clearing the decks
But,,,,, this doesn't mean the orders will come, so not a safe bet at all. Look at NEL, which is far better run business, still not great Share Price movement.
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Post by keitha on Oct 27, 2022 13:54:08 GMT
I thought at 70P they were worth a punt having done some research.
I can sell at 80P already
not a massive profit as I have a portfolio with a wide range and this adds to my greener side.
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Post by mogish on Oct 27, 2022 14:42:31 GMT
Linde...fork trucks and pallet trucks. I can sort of see potential there....
Worth watching, no doubt I will watch long enough, buy then watch price plummet!
Maybe holding cash and buying camping stoves is a better bet.
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Post by keitha on Nov 4, 2022 22:37:12 GMT
It is worth checking with elderly neighbours that they have supplies of matches and candles.
Also a couple of 2 litre bottles of water, if the power is off any length of time the pressure may drop, how will they make a cuppa.
check they have a mechanism to recharge mobile phones (power banks are relatively cheap), and remember in the event of a long term outage the mobile masts may go down. do they have a battery powered radio and spare batteries.
If the power goes off, some takeaways with Gas Hobs etc may be able to function but won't be able to take cards.
So what am I doing :-
I have candles and matches in a place where I can easily get to them, and find them in the dark I have 6 2 litre bottles of water. I have printed out and laminated level 1 and 2 sheets with my own code highlighted I have a couple of powerbanks I will keep charged. and a couple of spare USB C, Micro USB and Lightning cables ( to loan to neighbours ). If an outage is planned, then I will top up my battery in advance, provided I don't go mad I can last 10-15 hours. I have thought about rejigging the mains connection for the central heating as the heating is not on the protected circuit. I have a small overknee blanket with a USB heating pad in it.
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