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Post by benaj on Dec 22, 2022 23:16:17 GMT
I only learnt recently I am responsible for paying the cost of energy used in the failing HIU system. Even when the system fails, the temperature of the water at the output is below 17C, 3kW is being used to heating up to 17C. The worst part, the failing HIU system can't be shut down for health and safety reason, using 5kWh a day even heating and hot water tap switched off.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Dec 23, 2022 0:00:08 GMT
My gas consumption is down up 70% on last year. Mainly due to only partly heating rooms when cold and the wood burner which I fuel using free wood from a local woodland. Energy prices are going to keep going up and ultimately this is going to filter into everything else especially food prices. I plan to sell my current property and purchase a property with some arable land and forests. Being able to make my own energy and food seems like the greatest investment you can make. I have noted quite a few billionaire investors buying farm land.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Dec 23, 2022 0:14:22 GMT
Yeah. Reminds me of my Ukranian brother-in-law who is currently staying with us has cold showers (and I mean cold mains water without any hot added). God knows why - something to do with having resistance to falling into frozen lakes where he goes fishing. I have been taking ice cold showers for years, once you get used to it the endorphine rush is addictive. You get a real zen like calmness from it and gives you very high stress and pain resistance over time. I think it basically Tricks your primordial nervous system into thinking you are in mortal danger and activates parts of our physiology that is dormant in modern society, Probably not for everyone though.
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Post by registerme on Dec 23, 2022 0:50:33 GMT
Yeah. Reminds me of my Ukranian brother-in-law who is currently staying with us has cold showers (and I mean cold mains water without any hot added). God knows why - something to do with having resistance to falling into frozen lakes where he goes fishing. I have been taking ice cold showers for years, once you get used to it the endorphine rush is addictive. You get a real zen like calmness from it and gives you very high stress and pain resistance over time. I think it basically Tricks your primordial nervous system into thinking you are in mortal danger and activates parts of our physiology that is dormant in modern society, Probably not for everyone though. I'll stick with my duvet thanks .
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Post by adrianc on Dec 23, 2022 8:28:01 GMT
We stayed on a Montenegrin campsite some years ago where the shower was mounted on an outside wall, surrounded by a yellow oilskin curtain. Just a big D-pull handle, so it was all-or-nothing. Mains pressure, very high flow, bloody freezing...
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 23, 2022 9:36:58 GMT
My gas consumption is down up 70% on last year. Mainly due to only partly heating rooms when cold and the wood burner which I fuel using free wood from a local woodland. Energy prices are going to keep going up and ultimately this is going to filter into everything else especially food prices. I plan to sell my current property and purchase a property with some arable land and forests. Being able to make my own energy and food seems like the greatest investment you can make. I have noted quite a few billionaire investors buying farm land.When you have that sort of money, you kind of need to diversify your investments through necessity. Still, I'm sure the various related tax reliefs that have probably been available at different times also have played a part. Though of course the exemptions for Inheritance Tax on working agricultural land, and the related exemption for residential property that can be demonstrated as being "part of the working farm" have played absolutely no part in those investment decisions.
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Post by keitha on Dec 23, 2022 10:23:35 GMT
I only learnt recently I am responsible for paying the cost of energy used in the failing HIU system. Even when the system fails, the temperature of the water at the output is below 17C, 3kW is being used to heating up to 17C. The worst part, the failing HIU system can't be shut down for health and safety reason, using 5kWh a day even heating and hot water tap switched off. legionella only needs treatment once a week not daily 5KW a day to heat water is excessive I don't use that to run my house most days
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Post by Mike on Dec 23, 2022 10:34:32 GMT
My gas consumption is down up 70% on last year. Mainly due to only partly heating rooms when cold and the wood burner which I fuel using free wood from a local woodland. Energy prices are going to keep going up and ultimately this is going to filter into everything else especially food prices. I plan to sell my current property and purchase a property with some arable land and forests. Being able to make my own energy and food seems like the greatest investment you can make. I have noted quite a few billionaire investors buying farm land. It's hard work, depending on your property size! We need 15 tonnes of dry wood annually to service all heating & hot water - it is a large house but that requires a lot of time felling, moving, and sawing/splitting. Of course you can contract others to do some/all of that but you maybe better off financially just burning oil which has come right back down (and is now way, way, cheaper than gas per kWh even after the EPG). Whether or not energy prices continue to rise I think is still up for debate. French Nukes are coming back online, and new wind is constantly being connected. Since the heights of summer prices are massively down and it's hard to imagine that trend reversing any time soon. It all feels a bit vaccine-esque to me: stockpile far more gas than we need and end up overpaying and overordering - gas futures continue to fall largely because the market is realising there is no real shortage. For sure on cold, still, winter days there will be very expensive short-term prices but overall I have changed my outlook substantially from a few months ago and am now of the view prices will fall possibly even to the point the EPG may seem expensive as early as 6mo time
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Post by adrianc on Dec 23, 2022 11:12:10 GMT
I only learnt recently I am responsible for paying the cost of energy used in the failing HIU system. Even when the system fails, the temperature of the water at the output is below 17C, 3kW is being used to heating up to 17C. The worst part, the failing HIU system can't be shut down for health and safety reason, using 5kWh a day even heating and hot water tap switched off. legionella only needs treatment once a week not daily 5KW a day to heat water is excessive I don't use that to run my house most days 4200J are needed to raise the temperature of one litre of water by one degC. 5kWh is 18MJ = 18,000,000J 18,000,000/4200 is 4,285 litres/degC. If we say 50deg between the cold water arriving in the house and the water going into the tank, that's 85 litres heated. That's hardly excessive, is it? My gas boiler is 28kW output, so 5kWh is just over 10min of heating. Using a 13A/3kW immersion heater, it'd take 1hr40. At the current 34p/kWh cap price, it'd cost £1.70. Obvs, that's all before any heat losses in the pipework or storage. ...unless... Are you confusing 5kWh a day with 5kW x 24hrs = 120kWh?
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Post by keitha on Dec 23, 2022 11:21:34 GMT
LOL as I have instant water heating I forget people heat big tanks full of water.
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Post by mogish on Dec 23, 2022 11:25:51 GMT
My gas consumption is down up 70% on last year. Mainly due to only partly heating rooms when cold and the wood burner which I fuel using free wood from a local woodland. Energy prices are going to keep going up and ultimately this is going to filter into everything else especially food prices. I plan to sell my current property and purchase a property with some arable land and forests. Being able to make my own energy and food seems like the greatest investment you can make. I have noted quite a few billionaire investors buying farm land. It's hard work, depending on your property size! We need 15 tonnes of dry wood annually to service all heating & hot water - it is a large house but that requires a lot of time felling, moving, and sawing/splitting. Of course you can contract others to do some/all of that but you maybe better off financially just burning oil which has come right back down (and is now way, way, cheaper than gas per kWh even after the EPG). Whether or not energy prices continue to rise I think is still up for debate. French Nukes are coming back online, and new wind is constantly being connected. Since the heights of summer prices are massively down and it's hard to imagine that trend reversing any time soon. It all feels a bit vaccine-esque to me: stockpile far more gas than we need and end up overpaying and overordering - gas futures continue to fall largely because the market is realising there is no real shortage. For sure on cold, still, winter days there will be very expensive short-term prices but overall I have changed my outlook substantially from a few months ago and am now of the view prices will fall possibly even to the point the EPG may seem expensive as early as 6mo time Totally agree , sourcing now is difficult as demand is more. Local landscaping place I used before gave it away free to avoid skip costs. Now they either leave it lying so folk can help themselves or sell it. Lucky I bought my chainsaw and splitter years ago as they are now probably around £1000 to buy , start including your time(sometimes a whole weekend)fuel to pick it up , fuel and electric to cut and split and it doesnt look as "cheap" as you thought.Nice to have the wood burner on but it os messy and ours doesnt heat the water. Unfortunely I cant see heating oil reduces much in the future , currently here its 84p+vat.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Dec 23, 2022 12:26:33 GMT
My gas consumption is down up 70% on last year. Mainly due to only partly heating rooms when cold and the wood burner which I fuel using free wood from a local woodland. Energy prices are going to keep going up and ultimately this is going to filter into everything else especially food prices. I plan to sell my current property and purchase a property with some arable land and forests. Being able to make my own energy and food seems like the greatest investment you can make. I have noted quite a few billionaire investors buying farm land. It's hard work, depending on your property size! We need 15 tonnes of dry wood annually to service all heating & hot water - it is a large house but that requires a lot of time felling, moving, and sawing/splitting. Of course you can contract others to do some/all of that but you maybe better off financially just burning oil which has come right back down (and is now way, way, cheaper than gas per kWh even after the EPG). Whether or not energy prices continue to rise I think is still up for debate. French Nukes are coming back online, and new wind is constantly being connected. Since the heights of summer prices are massively down and it's hard to imagine that trend reversing any time soon. It all feels a bit vaccine-esque to me: stockpile far more gas than we need and end up overpaying and overordering - gas futures continue to fall largely because the market is realising there is no real shortage. For sure on cold, still, winter days there will be very expensive short-term prices but overall I have changed my outlook substantially from a few months ago and am now of the view prices will fall possibly even to the point the EPG may seem expensive as early as 6mo time
I probably over estimate how much work is involved but I have been very impressed at how much free heating I have managed to get from picking up fallen logs from my walks in a private forest near to where I live (I know the owner and have permission to take the wood). Basically I pick up about 10kg (nearly 4 tons a year) wood on my walks which provides a fairly respectable heat output for the living room which I have a wood burner in now - around 40KW/H for 10KG. I think with ever increasing global demand and the Geopolitical shift away from the west over the next 2 decades costs of food and energy will certainly rise - UK imports 50% of its food. There are also some great deals on very nice small hold farms with the reduction in subsidies and increase in interest rates. Ill probably end up building a couple of small properties on the land and have a couple of serfs living there to do the work.
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Post by mogish on Dec 23, 2022 13:48:31 GMT
Lol , serfs to source and chop the wood. Sounds a great idea. I might just move to Spain or somewhere hot. drinking beer in a hot sun sounds better than worrying about the constant hunt for wood and all the work of prepping it for burning. However , currently thats what the reality is so maybe your idea is the way forward.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Dec 23, 2022 16:38:22 GMT
Lol , serfs to source and chop the wood. Sounds a great idea. I might just move to Spain or somewhere hot. drinking beer in a hot sun sounds better than worrying about the constant hunt for wood and all the work of prepping it for burning. However , currently thats what the reality is so maybe your idea is the way forward.
It has more to do with planning permission for additional properties on the land and argicultural workers
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Post by benaj on Dec 23, 2022 18:31:54 GMT
legionella only needs treatment once a week not daily 5KW a day to heat water is excessive I don't use that to run my house most days 4200J are needed to raise the temperature of one litre of water by one degC. 5kWh is 18MJ = 18,000,000J 18,000,000/4200 is 4,285 litres/degC. If we say 50deg between the cold water arriving in the house and the water going into the tank, that's 85 litres heated. That's hardly excessive, is it? My gas boiler is 28kW output, so 5kWh is just over 10min of heating. Using a 13A/3kW immersion heater, it'd take 1hr40. At the current 34p/kWh cap price, it'd cost £1.70. Obvs, that's all before any heat losses in the pipework or storage. ...unless... Are you confusing 5kWh a day with 5kW x 24hrs = 120kWh? It may not seems excessive, but considering there are 1000 flats nearby using the same system wasting little amount every day. The energy provider gets paid regardless the system achieved the desired temperature. 🤬 Is it useful or wasteful to keep the system on when the flat is empty? But, the billing agent will switch the system off if the meter doesn't have credit. 🤣
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