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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 8:59:30 GMT
In the early 2010s the Conservative party set the house building trade the objective to hit a design standard similar to the passive house by 2016
Usual grumbles "not possible and the customer will not pay for it"
Barratts managed to hit the standard by 2015
By which point the Conservative party decided to withdraw the standard and now in 2023 we are back to terrible new build
thoughts on strategy, energy independence and climate change?
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Post by pikestaff on Feb 7, 2023 10:34:10 GMT
The standard should be restored, as a minimum.
As it happens I'm house hunting at the moment and have seen one of the good Barratts houses. Very nice it was too.
Unfortunately it was built without a garage, and there was nowhere I could install a charger for my EV (dedicated parking spaces too far away with no power supply, and no parking permitted adjacent to the property). So not for me.
The standard also needs to include appropriate provision for EVs, either house by house or for the neighbourhood. My council is consulting on local standards for this but surely they should be set nationally.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 7, 2023 10:41:17 GMT
New house building in this country is just abysmal.
The excess of demand over supply is at the lower end of the market, all the profit is to be made at the upper-middle end, so three guesses which gets built?
And then they absolutely cram detached houses onto tiny plots, so there's just a fringe around each, all built out of absolute ticky-tacky to last the bare minimum time.
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Post by benaj on Feb 7, 2023 10:53:05 GMT
It will be a tall order if every single one of them like this one featured in Grand Design.
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Post by keitha on Feb 7, 2023 11:12:26 GMT
The standard should be restored, as a minimum. As it happens I'm house hunting at the moment and have seen one of the good Barratts houses. Very nice it was too. Unfortunately it was built without a garage, and there was nowhere I could install a charger for my EV (dedicated parking spaces too far away with no power supply, and no parking permitted adjacent to the property). So not for me. The standard also needs to include appropriate provision for EVs, either house by house or for the neighbourhood. My council is consulting on local standards for this but surely they should be set nationally. Welsh standard is off road parking spaces on property must be > bedrooms +1 so a 2 bed terrace needs 3 spaces, in theory you could build 6 houses with 2 bedrooms each and have 18 spaces at the end of the block. However in the centre of Cardiff they are putting up a new block with about 6 apartments ( mix of 1 and 2 bed ) with I believe about 20 parking spaces. when the local councillors challenged this the planning department said "they are intended as starter properties so we don't anticipate many owning cars"
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Post by adrianc on Feb 7, 2023 11:15:40 GMT
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Post by keitha on Feb 7, 2023 12:06:54 GMT
and we all know that means a builder can put down foundations for 50 properties now and complete 5 a year within the rules.
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Post by bernythedolt on Feb 7, 2023 13:51:18 GMT
In the early 2010s the Conservative party set the house building trade the objective to hit a design standard similar to the passive house by 2016
Usual grumbles "not possible and the customer will not pay for it"
Barratts managed to hit the standard by 2015
By which point the Conservative party decided to withdraw the standard and now in 2023 we are back to terrible new build
thoughts on strategy, energy independence and climate change?
We live in a Barratts house built 2015. 😎 Pleasingly energy efficient (although still only B rated EPC). Good to know we're doing our bit.
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Post by bernythedolt on Feb 7, 2023 14:02:55 GMT
The standard should be restored, as a minimum. As it happens I'm house hunting at the moment and have seen one of the good Barratts houses. Very nice it was too. Unfortunately it was built without a garage, and there was nowhere I could install a charger for my EV (dedicated parking spaces too far away with no power supply, and no parking permitted adjacent to the property). So not for me. The standard also needs to include appropriate provision for EVs, either house by house or for the neighbourhood. My council is consulting on local standards for this but surely they should be set nationally. is off road parking spaces on property must be > bedrooms +1 so a 2 bed terrace needs 3 spaces, in theory you could build 6 houses with 2 bedrooms each and have 18 spaces at the end of the block. However in the centre of Cardiff they are putting up a new block with about 6 apartments ( mix of 1 and 2 bed ) with I believe about 20 parking spaces. when the local councillors challenged this the planning department said "they are intended as starter properties so we don't anticipate many owning cars" Not sure this is quite right? Our 5-bed doesn't have 6 off-road spaces. You'd struggle to find any new build estate anywhere in Wales or the UK that does (we looked far and wide at all the options). The best available is usually double garage plus two driveway spaces, as ours. The 3-beds here offer 2, sometimes 3, off-road spaces. Perhaps your rule applies to 1 or 2 bed properties? Or it's a brand new rule? It is true they do cram them in nowadays to maximise profit, and in the smaller houses the kids have nowhere to play and stretch their legs. It's quite disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 14:33:05 GMT
In the early 2010s the Conservative party set the house building trade the objective to hit a design standard similar to the passive house by 2016
Usual grumbles "not possible and the customer will not pay for it"
Barratts managed to hit the standard by 2015
By which point the Conservative party decided to withdraw the standard and now in 2023 we are back to terrible new build
thoughts on strategy, energy independence and climate change?
We live in a Barratts house built 2015. 😎 Pleasingly energy efficient (although still only B rated EPC). Good to know we're doing our bit. They didn't build any, they just built the test house to prove they could hit the standard, using normal techniques and to the expected cost. But none sold
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Post by keitha on Feb 7, 2023 15:51:34 GMT
Welsh standard is off road parking spaces on property must be > bedrooms +1 so a 2 bed terrace needs 3 spaces, in theory you could build 6 houses with 2 bedrooms each and have 18 spaces at the end of the block. However in the centre of Cardiff they are putting up a new block with about 6 apartments ( mix of 1 and 2 bed ) with I believe about 20 parking spaces. when the local councillors challenged this the planning department said "they are intended as starter properties so we don't anticipate many owning cars" Not sure this is quite right? Our 5-bed doesn't have 6 off-road spaces. You'd struggle to find any new build estate anywhere in Wales or the UK that does (we looked far and wide at all the options). The best available is usually double garage plus two driveway spaces, as ours. The 3-beds here offer 2, sometimes 3, off-road spaces. Perhaps your rule applies to 1 or 2 bed properties? Or it's a brand new rule? It is true they do cram them in nowadays to maximise profit, and in the smaller houses the kids have nowhere to play and stretch their legs. It's quite disgusting. new rule, local builders hate it, it stops them turning 1 2 bed house into 2 1 bed flats
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Post by hazellend on Feb 8, 2023 16:28:37 GMT
For a start private housing should have a minimum standard the same as social housing, which is much higher quality
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Post by adrianc on Feb 9, 2023 8:11:06 GMT
For a start private housing should have a minimum standard the same as social housing, which is much higher quality Can you give an example of that?
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Post by pikestaff on Feb 9, 2023 9:02:00 GMT
For a start private housing should have a minimum standard the same as social housing, which is much higher quality Can you give an example of that? This may refer to space standards, rather than build quality. For a long time there was no national space standard. A new standard was introduced in 2015 but it sets the bar pretty low, and it is voluntary. Councils can decide whether to adopt it and not all have. I am not aware of any additional national space standards for social/council housing (I searched and could not find). Historically many councils did (and may still) apply their own more generous space standards, often based on those developed by the LCC (London County Council) in the first half of the last century and/or the 1949 Housing Manual here.
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Post by hazellend on Feb 9, 2023 14:49:58 GMT
For a start private housing should have a minimum standard the same as social housing, which is much higher quality Can you give an example of that? Any new build social housing in Scotland has bigger rooms, nicer exterior appearance, better trim (e.g charcoal windows instead of plain white). Also, the houses/blocks of flats aren’t crammed into a plot like sardines, as seen with most private housing.
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