michaelc
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Apr 24, 2024 21:59:12 GMT
Post by michaelc on Apr 24, 2024 21:59:12 GMT
Trump is the most peaceful president in the US for many years. Could you explain what you mean, please? I don't. I think human rights should be universal, and should be universally respected. The difference is that we in the democratic west should be leading by example and helping to bring those countries up to our standard. Instead, the US (in particular) is sinking to their level. Although, tbf, we're having a good crack in the UK at the moment, too. I think you're the person that has regularly stated it is Ukraine's absolute right to join NATO or do whatever the heck it wants (within the rules of the UN presumably). You forgot about countries like Switzerland somewhat needing to be neutral and thus not joining NATO but we'll park that. Now you claim some countries need to show an example to others. That would be a consistent position except for that fact you base those countries on them being in a particular fixed block "the west". Your argument would have been far more persuasive had you stated that the countries that should be leading by example should be those countries that maintain high moral standards and laws rather than a fixed set of countries known as the collective "west".
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Apr 25, 2024 6:41:39 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Apr 25, 2024 6:41:39 GMT
Could you explain what you mean, please? I don't. I think human rights should be universal, and should be universally respected. The difference is that we in the democratic west should be leading by example and helping to bring those countries up to our standard. Instead, the US (in particular) is sinking to their level. Although, tbf, we're having a good crack in the UK at the moment, too. I think you're the person that has regularly stated it is Ukraine's absolute right to join NATO or do whatever the heck it wants (within the rules of the UN presumably). You forgot about countries like Switzerland somewhat needing to be neutral and thus not joining NATO but we'll park that. Why does Switzerland *NEED* to be neutral? They choose to be. That's their right. Sweden also has a history of neutrality. Portugal, Spain, and Ireland were also neutral in WW2 - despite two of them being fascist-aligned dictatorships. I said "should", not "need". Do you understand the difference? No, I didn't "base" it on that. I based it on alignment with established human rights legislation such as the UN's Universal Declaration - www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights - or the ECHR - www.echr.coe.int/documents/d/echr/convention_ENGDefine "high moral standards". Iran and Saudi think their laws are based on "high moral standards", as does the religious-right behind Trump. So, in the UK, did the mindset behind denial of universal suffrage, or the mindset that outlawed homosexuality and regarded other races and religions and nationalities as inherently inferior.
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michaelc
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Apr 25, 2024 14:43:50 GMT
Post by michaelc on Apr 25, 2024 14:43:50 GMT
Lets rewind a little. You said the west should set an example that encourages others to follow. Or similar wording. Correct?
Can you explain why ?
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adrianc
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Apr 25, 2024 21:39:15 GMT
Post by adrianc on Apr 25, 2024 21:39:15 GMT
Lets rewind a little. You said the west should set an example that encourages others to follow. Or similar wording. Correct? Can you explain why ? Can I refer you to the wording of both ECHR and UN Universal Declaration? I think they stand for themselves. Which bits of them do you disagree with?
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Apr 25, 2024 22:07:43 GMT
Post by michaelc on Apr 25, 2024 22:07:43 GMT
Lets rewind a little. You said the west should set an example that encourages others to follow. Or similar wording. Correct? Can you explain why ? Can I refer you to the wording of both ECHR and UN Universal Declaration? I think they stand for themselves. Which bits of them do you disagree with? You said the west should set an example that encourages others to follow. Or similar wording. Correct?
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adrianc
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Apr 25, 2024 22:31:14 GMT
Post by adrianc on Apr 25, 2024 22:31:14 GMT
Can I refer you to the wording of both ECHR and UN Universal Declaration? I think they stand for themselves. Which bits of them do you disagree with? You said the west should set an example that encourages others to follow. Or similar wording. Correct? p2pindependentforum.com/post/492456Saudi, Congo, DRC are all members of the UN and have all ratified the universal declaration. Do you think they're following it?
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Apr 26, 2024 18:35:33 GMT
Post by crabbyoldgit on Apr 26, 2024 18:35:33 GMT
QI informs me the chances of an American president dieing in office is a 8 in 44, mutch higher than a lumber jack, considered a very dangerous job. If the orange man wins there is more hope yet than I dared to dream. edit if the competition wins it's got to be near a racing cert.
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Post by keitha on Apr 26, 2024 18:44:41 GMT
QI informs me the chances of an American president dying in office is a 8 in 44, much higher than a lumber jack, considered a very dangerous job. If the orange man wins there is more hope yet than I dared to dream. edit if the competition wins it's got to be near a racing cert. I really don't fancy the invisible woman as president if anything happens to Biden. personally I think despite being older Biden is likely to outlive Trump
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Apr 26, 2024 20:38:20 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Apr 26, 2024 20:38:20 GMT
QI informs me the chances of an American president dieing in office is a 8 in 44, mutch higher than a lumber jack, considered a very dangerous job. If the orange man wins there is more hope yet than I dared to dream. edit if the competition wins it's got to be near a racing cert.I don't see that. The average life expectancy (2023) of a US male aged 81 is 7.25 years. So if Biden is re-elected it is more likely than not that he would see out his term - disregarding a) mental capacity issues that there may or may not be b) specific morbidities that he may have that we don't know about that make him at higher than average risk for his age group. The average life expectancy of a US male aged 77 is 9.32 years. Biden seems to be reasonably fit for his age. He jogs. He is of a good weight. On average, you'd expect a person like him to be around for longer than the average life expectancy for his cohort. Trump on the other hand is almost certainly obese (even if his doctor when in the White House managed to list his weight at 1 lb under the 'obese' clip level). His diet is known to be pretty dire: when combination of Big Macs and KFCs etc. are your favourite meal, I'm not sure what else you'd call it. It is thought - but obviously not advertised - that he wears diapers: possibly because of drug usage over the years - possibly Adderall. If true that doesn't speak to a good overall bodily system. Exercise wise: has anyone seen him jog/cycle ? Taking into account individual's specifics, I'd reckon that Trump's 50th percentile life expectancy is lower than his age cohort, while Biden's is above his. Source: www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
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Apr 26, 2024 20:44:54 GMT
Post by agent69 on Apr 26, 2024 20:44:54 GMT
If Trump wins does anyone know who is favourite to be VP?
I assume Mike Pence is no longer flavour of the month.
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Apr 26, 2024 21:51:28 GMT
Post by registerme on Apr 26, 2024 21:51:28 GMT
If Trump wins does anyone know who is favourite to be VP?
I assume Mike Pence is no longer flavour of the month.
Who's the greatest simp in the US right now?
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adrianc
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Apr 26, 2024 21:52:40 GMT
Post by adrianc on Apr 26, 2024 21:52:40 GMT
QI informs me the chances of an American president dieing in office is a 8 in 44 Perhaps a decade ago - but now 8 in 46, surely? (Four natural causes, four shot, fwiw) If we introduce a bit of actuarial guesstimation, only a fool would say that either of the current pair had anything close to that low a risk of adding to the natural causes tally. But it seems a safe bet to me that while Joe might have a smallish head start on Donald, lifestyle and diet are very likely to have a say in the outcome... Biden alive at 86? Trump alive at 82? Place bets.
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keitha
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Apr 27, 2024 18:04:14 GMT
Post by keitha on Apr 27, 2024 18:04:14 GMT
Can I have £5 on Biden being alive, not necessarily "all there" and Trump if alive either being President and thus totally innocent or wearing a suit that matches his skin tone
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michaelc
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Apr 27, 2024 18:26:22 GMT
Post by michaelc on Apr 27, 2024 18:26:22 GMT
Can I have £5 on Biden being alive, not necessarily "all there" and Trump if alive either being President and thus totally innocent or wearing a suit that matches his skin tone Innocent of what ?
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Apr 27, 2024 20:14:01 GMT
Can I have £5 on Biden being alive, not necessarily "all there" and Trump if alive either being President and thus totally innocent or wearing a suit that matches his skin tone Innocent of what ? everything cos we all know he will give himself a pardon and in Trump world a pardon makes you innocent
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