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Post by p2plender on Sept 2, 2015 10:36:30 GMT
Big news out at FC regards ending of auction process. Is this the way other platforms will go??
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Post by mrclondon on Sept 2, 2015 10:51:39 GMT
To cater for the hundreds of millions of ISA pounds most platforms are going to have to simplify their lender interface, and reverse auctions are going to be incompatible with huge sums of money from passive investors. The surprise is FC have maintained it for as long as they have. FK to all intents and purposes operates fixed rates with the underwriter(s) taking most of each loan at the "reserve rate". AC abandoned reverse auctions after 2 attempts neither of which were pretty. Which just leaves ReBS and some TC loans operating reverse auctions. TC reverse auctions suffer from poor take up as people like me only bid on fixed rate loans to avoid the risk of being knocked out.
Personally I have found the "gaming" of the FC auction process in very poor taste as the flippers are simply extracting margin from other lenders. However the flipside is the flippers have been providing a defacto underwriting service, and that margin is the equivalent of underwriter fees on AC/TC/SS etc.
Whilst none of that is of direct relevenevce to RS, I can't help but think the RS new lender displays are at least in part an attempt at the simplification needed pre-ISA but have not been sufficeintly well thought through.
How well platforms cater for ISA money will determine IMO those which have a long term future and those that don't. FC are to be commended for taking action now to allow a few months to bed in before the arrival of ISA's.
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Post by pom on Sept 3, 2015 7:52:45 GMT
I'm almost starting to wish that RS do go fixed rate and put us all out of our misery. I've only been using them a few months but the constant changes to the model are really starting to piss me off. Of course doing so would completely trash their USP, and we may well not like fixed rates either.
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Post by westonkevRS on Sept 3, 2015 12:30:23 GMT
The borrowers have nearly always had "fixed interest" in that they are quoted and isn't variable. This borrower side aspect is stable, and perhaps isn't comparable to FC where the auction process causes uncertainty in terms of rate and time.
The ability to be a RateSetter is clearly in our DNA, is a USP and basically in our name! The whole market philosophy and the democratisation of money and its cost is the whole point - at least for me and the co-founders (although not all colleagues agree, but their fools and I ignore their forlorn complaints).
The difficulty is how to ensure me you you folk can set our own rates, but also make it simple, clear and boring for "high street". The recent change is a perhaps clumsy attempt to do that. I appreciate we could have recommended a whole bunch of solutions rates, but it was clearer to offer a rate where the money would be lent there and then and the rate chosen - even if slightly sub optimal. Making is simple and clear, and then having to explain their money wasn't lent because of the MR being above the latest offers, daily movements, blah blah, would have made it pointless. The only realistic offer was the "lend now". With experience, new lenders could then set higher rates (although interestingly, several "experts" got too greedy this weekend and lost out).
I know some don't like the position and wording of the "be an expert" link to the markets. But I think these are minor quibbles.
I apologize if there have been a lot of changes recently, hopefully this will settle down. Especially post FCA authorisation.
Kevin.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Sept 3, 2015 12:36:30 GMT
...several "experts" got too greedy this weekend and lost out....
Curses!! Never mind! Winwinwinwinlosewinwinwin etc.
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Post by c88dnf on Sept 3, 2015 14:50:22 GMT
The only realistic offer was the "lend now". With experience, new lenders could then set higher rates (although interestingly, several "experts" got too greedy this weekend and lost out). Not so, dear westonkevRS. A clear alternative was to revert to the previous "Your Rate" method whereby a lender could set their "lowest acceptable" rate (YR), but benefitted if the actual selling rate was higher. As to those of us who "got greedy" and "lost out", not so sir. I am hacked off with now having to guess what the real "market rate" will be for the next day. It certainly isn't the one RS use. Today's MR is 5.8%, but I've sold money at 6.0%: too low - I could have had 6.2% with ease. At the weekend, I, like oldgrumpy, was in sight of 6.5%, but that guess failed. No problem, the money was withdrawn and is now invested on another P2P platform at an even higher rate.
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Post by mikeb on Sept 3, 2015 18:30:54 GMT
The ability to be a RateSetter is clearly in our DNA, is a USP and basically in our name! It didn't stop ZOPA foresaking their name :- Zone Of Takeitor Leaveit ... ?
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Post by star dust on Sept 3, 2015 19:19:03 GMT
The ability to be a RateSetter is clearly in our DNA, is a USP and basically in our name! It didn't stop ZOPA foresaking their name :- Zone Of Takeitor Leaveit ... ? Yeah, just drop the hesitation (er.....) voila Rate Set! .
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Post by mikeb on Sept 4, 2015 18:00:51 GMT
.. and then the big three can complete the rebrand with the new site at dingcircle.com ... ... having taken the Fun out
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Post by jlend on Sept 8, 2015 14:48:09 GMT
The borrowers have nearly always had "fixed interest" in that they are quoted and isn't variable. This borrower side aspect is stable, and perhaps isn't comparable to FC where the auction process causes uncertainty in terms of rate and time. The ability to be a RateSetter is clearly in our DNA, is a USP and basically in our name! The whole market philosophy and the democratisation of money and its cost is the whole point - at least for me and the co-founders (although not all colleagues agree, but their fools and I ignore their forlorn complaints). The difficulty is how to ensure me you you folk can set our own rates, but also make it simple, clear and boring for "high street". The recent change is a perhaps clumsy attempt to do that. I appreciate we could have recommended a whole bunch of solutions rates, but it was clearer to offer a rate where the money would be lent there and then and the rate chosen - even if slightly sub optimal. Making is simple and clear, and then having to explain their money wasn't lent because of the MR being above the latest offers, daily movements, blah blah, would have made it pointless. The only realistic offer was the "lend now". With experience, new lenders could then set higher rates (although interestingly, several "experts" got too greedy this weekend and lost out). I know some don't like the position and wording of the "be an expert" link to the markets. But I think these are minor quibbles. I apologize if there have been a lot of changes recently, hopefully this will settle down. Especially post FCA authorisation. Kevin. I just posted on another similar thread so some of this will be a repetition :-)
I do really like the second paragraph on the DNA of ratesetter and the democratisation of money. It was and is a good USP.
I must say that the second para makes me more uncomfortable after reading it several times. As you say the display change is perhaps clumsy. I find it hard to believe the founders and investors are comfortable with "high street" lenders in some cases lending money at materially lower rates than they are very likely to get within a few hours in some cases, if not likely within 24 hours. It doesn't feel great.
I totally agree with trying to make the customer journey suitable for all types of lender. Us "expert" lenders can look after ourselves. I am sure ratesetter can think of some ways of tweaking the customer journey to help educate those less experienced lenders
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