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MT380
Apr 13, 2016 14:42:39 GMT
Post by ladywhitenap on Apr 13, 2016 14:42:39 GMT
This new loan states **Please be aware that the loan is undertaken in EUR and as such MoneyThing takes on any risk with regards to currency fluctuation, not lenders. **
But surely as the asset is valued in Euro and should the loan fail, are not we lenders vulnerable to Euro-Sterling fluctuations in this case?
LW
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ptr120
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MT380
Apr 13, 2016 15:03:26 GMT
Post by ptr120 on Apr 13, 2016 15:03:26 GMT
I'm assuming that the folks at MT have taken out an option to hedge the exchange rate risk - ie. the risk that exchange rates move unfavorably between drawdown and repayment. I expect that they have also thought about how they will cope with exchange rate risk in the event of a loan default, and am sure that they will be along to confirm the exact position soon.
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MT380
Apr 13, 2016 15:09:29 GMT
Post by ladywhitenap on Apr 13, 2016 15:09:29 GMT
I'm assuming that the folks at MT have taken out an option to hedge the exchange rate risk - ie. the risk that exchange rates move unfavorably between drawdown and repayment. I expect that they have also thought about how they will cope with exchange rate risk in the event of a loan default, and am sure that they will be along to confirm the exact position soon. I'd like to think that you are correct on all counts PTR120 - I'm just not sure how they could indemnify us against currency losses in the event of say a bad loan on top of a possible Brexit?
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MT380
Apr 13, 2016 16:14:25 GMT
Post by stevio on Apr 13, 2016 16:14:25 GMT
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MT380
Apr 13, 2016 16:22:55 GMT
Post by MoneyThing on Apr 13, 2016 16:22:55 GMT
Afternoon,
The borrower has been paid in EUR and the valuation is in EUR. In the event of default and that upon disposal there is a capital loss of say 50% and the value of the EUR to GBP drops (i.e. the loan is €130,000 and we have to sell the property and only recover €65,000), then participating lenders make a capital loss of 50% of the amount that they funded of the £104,727 and MoneyThing would step in to cover any shortfall to maintain the 50%.
(Participating lenders have an interest in the loan based on % of what they have funded out of the listed £104,727).
Vice versa, in the event that the value of EUR to GBP rises, then in the event that there is only a 50% recovery of the amount in EUR (€65,000) but the amount recovered in GBP is greater than 50% of £104,727, then the effective capital loss by investors is reduced.
Following on from this example of 50% recovery:
If in 18 months €130,000 is only worth say £85,000 and therefore we sell the property for the equivalent of £42,500, then we would fund the difference of £9,863 to lenders ((50% of £104,727) - £42,500).
If in 18 months €130,000 is worth say £125,000 and therefore we sell the property for the equivalent of £62,500, then the effective capital loss to investors will be reduced to £40.3%.
I hope I have explained it clearly enough.
Kind regards,
Ed
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sam i am
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Post by sam i am on Apr 13, 2016 17:11:52 GMT
MoneyThing, the way I read your explanation above, I understand that lenders will be indemnified against a weakening Euro but could benefit from a strengthening Euro. Is that correct?
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Post by MoneyThing on Apr 13, 2016 17:54:10 GMT
MoneyThing , the way I read your explanation above, I understand that lenders will be indemnified against a weakening Euro but could benefit from a strengthening Euro. Is that correct? Correct. Regards, Ed
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MT380
Apr 13, 2016 19:18:59 GMT
Post by jonah on Apr 13, 2016 19:18:59 GMT
MoneyThing / Ed... (Which do you prefer?) My limited understanding of uk tax includes that you have to declare foreign earnings separately to uk earnings and that foreign earnings are dependent on the location of the borrower, not the platform. In this case are we lending to MoneyThing or directly to the folk in Ireland as the latter would be foreign earnings? TIA
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