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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 7, 2017 13:29:18 GMT
Does anyone have experience of the reliability of the state pension estimates that you can automatically get from logging into gov.uk ? (https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension).
Doing a check I was surprised. I am some (considerable) way off retirement age. It is giving me an estimate equivalent to my "max amount (£167)". As I understand it that is based on my NI record to date (NOT predicting any future NI contributions); but yet I have 34 not 35 yrs full contributions (I thought you needed 35) AND I have some years contracted out (don't know how many). It acknowledges that I have some years contracted out but doesn't tell me how many - though it does give me a figure of the estimated COPE amount but says this does not impact the calculated predicted state pension.
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Post by jonah on Aug 7, 2017 19:39:46 GMT
I don't know but am interested in the answer if anyone does...?
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Post by stub8535 on Aug 7, 2017 20:00:13 GMT
Its probably close enough for people to evaluate if they are butting up against their max lifetime allowance for pensions investment decisions. The check I did recently highlighted a cock up made by NI who plsced my self employment ni payments in the wrong account leaving a year that was not fully paid. This impacted a funding application until uncovered and rectified.
Useful to check if you have had any self employment.
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Post by dan1 on Aug 7, 2017 20:44:27 GMT
Does anyone have experience of the reliability of the state pension estimates that you can automatically get from logging into gov.uk ? (https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension). Doing a check I was surprised. I am some (considerable) way off retirement age. It is giving me an estimate equivalent to my "max amount (£167)". As I understand it that is based on my NI record to date (NOT predicting any future NI contributions); but yet I have 34 not 35 yrs full contributions (I thought you needed 35) AND I have some years contracted out (don't know how many). It acknowledges that I have some years contracted out but doesn't tell me how many - though it does give me a figure of the estimated COPE amount but says this does not impact the calculated predicted state pension. I haven't requested a state pension forecast for a year or so but it did assume I'd make full NI contributions until my state retirement age. On the capture it stated "You need to continue to contribute National Insurance to reach your forecast". The new flat rate state pension came into effect for retirees from 6 April 2016. I believe that if you'd of been awarded more under the old system then this will be what you receive instead of that calculated from the new flat rate pension. The full flat rate pension requires 35 qualifying years and accrues at £4.55 per qualifying year to provide the full flat rate pension of £159.55 per week. Deductions are made for years in which you were contracted out. The old scheme required 30 qualifying years accruing the basic element of the state pension at £4.08 per year to provide the full basic state pension of £122.30 per week. This was increased by the additional state pension through SERPS and SSP when not contracted out. If your forecast if £167 then this must be calculated under the old scheme (given it's more that the full flat rate), in which you have the full 30 qualifying years with the full basic of £122.30 and £44.70 of additional state pension. I think this means that additional NI credits will gain you nothing in terms of your state pension because you can't increase your additional state pension element (SSP was abolished when the new flat rate pension was introduced). It's always worth checking that HMRC have your NI contributions recorded correctly. The way I tracked my contracted in/out periods whilst PAYE was to look at the NI category on P60s - A was contracted in, D was contracted out. This is my own understanding so please DYOR (do your own research)! And please point out anything I've got wrong.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 7, 2017 21:11:44 GMT
Well those years of weekend and holiday working while still at school / sixth form have ended up counting for something: my 3 "incomplete" years are later and at Uni, and the holiday working (and/or some possible black economy) didn't add up to sufficient. A great testament as to why one should be getting the kids up the chimneys early in life :-)
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Post by r00lish67 on Aug 7, 2017 21:15:52 GMT
Weirdly enough, I was looking at this last night, except from a pure NI point of view. Not sure if this is just integrated into what you were looking at anyway, but just in case.. www.gov.uk/check-national-insurance-recordHere you can access all of the detail of the exact years the Govt believe you have Full/partial/not qualifying NI years for and exactly how much you're on target for with the current system. I was quite pleasantly surprised with how accurate it seemed to be for me. Edit: crossed with bracknellboy - yes my night shifts stacking shelves at ASDA as a 17 year old didn't go unnoticed!
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Post by guff on Aug 7, 2017 23:13:09 GMT
Well those years of weekend and holiday working while still at school / sixth form have ended up counting for something: my 3 "incomplete" years are later and at Uni, and the holiday working (and/or some possible black economy) didn't add up to sufficient. A great testament as to why one should be getting the kids up the chimneys early in life :-) Don't they do thick sandwich courses and pay you while you're at university any more?
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 8, 2017 7:47:06 GMT
dan1: thanks for that. I suspect then you must be right: that possibly I just scraped through the trap of the 35 year and contract out issue. It was definitely telling me I could not improve but that I would still have to pay NI (or might have to, to be precise). I may have another look at my NI record online to see whether it is clear when was contracted out. I certainly don't have my p45s going back far enough to figure it out ! Still, but the time I'm eligible it will have all changed again so possibly a bit academic.
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Post by pom on Aug 8, 2017 9:16:21 GMT
Weirdly enough, I was looking at this last night, except from a pure NI point of view. Not sure if this is just integrated into what you were looking at anyway, but just in case.. www.gov.uk/check-national-insurance-recordHere you can access all of the detail of the exact years the Govt believe you have Full/partial/not qualifying NI years for and exactly how much you're on target for with the current system. I was quite pleasantly surprised with how accurate it seemed to be for me. Edit: crossed with bracknellboy - yes my night shifts stacking shelves at ASDA as a 17 year old didn't go unnoticed! Sorry to burst both your bubbles but I got NI credits for 6th form without any part time jobs.....
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Post by pom on Aug 8, 2017 9:17:00 GMT
Well those years of weekend and holiday working while still at school / sixth form have ended up counting for something: my 3 "incomplete" years are later and at Uni, and the holiday working (and/or some possible black economy) didn't add up to sufficient. A great testament as to why one should be getting the kids up the chimneys early in life :-) Don't they do thick sandwich courses and pay you while you're at university any more? Thin sandwiches were much MUCH better
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 8, 2017 9:30:59 GMT
Weirdly enough, I was looking at this last night, except from a pure NI point of view. Not sure if this is just integrated into what you were looking at anyway, but just in case.. www.gov.uk/check-national-insurance-recordHere you can access all of the detail of the exact years the Govt believe you have Full/partial/not qualifying NI years for and exactly how much you're on target for with the current system. I was quite pleasantly surprised with how accurate it seemed to be for me. Edit: crossed with bracknellboy - yes my night shifts stacking shelves at ASDA as a 17 year old didn't go unnoticed! Sorry to burst both your bubbles but I got NI credits for 6th form without any part time jobs..... Presumably by signing on as unemployed: but did you get enough for it to count as a full year. Anyway, earning your credits the proper way is the only true path.
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Post by pom on Aug 8, 2017 9:40:41 GMT
Sorry to burst both your bubbles but I got NI credits for 6th form without any part time jobs..... Presumably by signing on as unemployed: but did you get enough for it to count as a full year. Anyway, earning your credits the proper way is the only true path. Nope nothing to do with me, I was just minding my own business doing my A levels, but apparently it counted. The only year I don't have full credits for is the tailend of U6th-1st 2 terms of Uni. After that my thin sandwich with 6months employment each year was clearly enough to tide me over until full time employment. Potentially going to need to make a few years of voluntary contributions tho.
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Post by yorkshireman on Aug 11, 2017 16:20:37 GMT
For a suitable fee I can refer anyone short on NI contributions to the DWP who hold 9 years of my contributions which I paid for sweet nothing thanks to the 2007 Pensions Act reducing the qualifying years for a full basic State Pension from 44 years for men and 39 years for women to 30 years for both, since increased to 35.
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Post by crapo on Oct 16, 2017 16:01:56 GMT
Presumably by signing on as unemployed: but did you get enough for it to count as a full year. Anyway, earning your credits the proper way is the only true path. Nope nothing to do with me, I was just minding my own business doing my A levels, but apparently it counted. The only year I don't have full credits for is the tailend of U6th-1st 2 terms of Uni. After that my thin sandwich with 6months employment each year was clearly enough to tide me over until full time employment. Potentially going to need to make a few years of voluntary contributions tho. I am in a similar situation: Lower sixth year: No paid employment + 52 weeks of NI credits = Full year Upper sixth year: £14.08 paid employment?! + 52 weeks of NI credits = Full year 1st year of Uni: £31.89 paid employment?! + 52 weeks of NI credits = Full year 2nd year of Uni: £31.89 of paid employment?! + no NI credits = Year is not full 3rd year of Uni: £127.66 of paid employment?! + no NI credits = Year is not full What gives?
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Post by corriefan on Oct 16, 2017 19:16:40 GMT
Nope nothing to do with me, I was just minding my own business doing my A levels, but apparently it counted. The only year I don't have full credits for is the tailend of U6th-1st 2 terms of Uni. After that my thin sandwich with 6months employment each year was clearly enough to tide me over until full time employment. Potentially going to need to make a few years of voluntary contributions tho. I am in a similar situation: Lower sixth year: No paid employment + 52 weeks of NI credits = Full year Upper sixth year: £14.08 paid employment?! + 52 weeks of NI credits = Full year 1st year of Uni: £31.89 paid employment?! + 52 weeks of NI credits = Full year 2nd year of Uni: £31.89 of paid employment?! + no NI credits = Year is not full 3rd year of Uni: £127.66 of paid employment?! + no NI credits = Year is not full What gives? NI credits are given for years in which your 16th, 17th or 18th birthdays fall. That could be why only your first year in university attracted credits.
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