SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Aug 19, 2017 6:11:40 GMT
Hi Collateral Rep, apologies if I've missed it but I can find nothing in the platform Terms or FAQs that lays out the sequence of repayment priority in the event of a Collateral loan default, particularly relating to split tranche loans where later tranches pay higher interest but rank behind earlier tranches. In the absence of anything that overrides the normal legal understanding of "ranks ahead" / "ranks behind", can you please confirm that higher ranking tranches would be repaid in full (both capital + any outstanding accrued interest) before lower ranking tranches started being repaid? Thanks
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Post by geraldine1210 on Aug 19, 2017 11:59:32 GMT
Wouldn't it surely be capital from first to last and THEN accrued interest?
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Post by SteveT on Aug 19, 2017 12:34:47 GMT
Wouldn't it surely be capital from first to last and THEN accrued interest? Not for any normal second ranking loan (e.g. a second mortgage) and I can find nothing that says anything else applied here.
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Post by locutus on Aug 19, 2017 12:35:45 GMT
Wouldn't it surely be capital from first to last and THEN accrued interest? This is precisely why it needs to be written down and made clear on all loans where there are differing priorities.
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Post by mrclondon on Aug 19, 2017 12:50:46 GMT
Wouldn't it surely be capital from first to last and THEN accrued interest? That's the approach adopted by MT for the Birkenhead loans certainly, but in the case of a 2nd charge loan with an external 1st charge lender, the 1st charge lender would take their capital, interest and fees before the 2nd charge holder gets anything unless a specific deed of priority was agreed (and lodged at companies house with the charge) between the two lenders at the time the 2nd charge was registered. Such a deed of priority normally caps the total £££ the 1st charge holder can claim ahead of the 2nd charge holder.
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Post by elliotn on Aug 19, 2017 14:48:21 GMT
Wouldn't it surely be capital from first to last and THEN accrued interest? For intra-platform tranches on the same charge it seems fairer for all investors to have a crack af the capital, I haven't seen external charge priority imported yet - if Col could clarify/document. Declaration of interest - I'll only hold on to '26 so will actually lose out on such a model
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Post by geraldine1210 on Aug 19, 2017 14:49:35 GMT
It would seem very simple for them to be straight forward and transparent.
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Post by geraldine1210 on Aug 19, 2017 14:50:27 GMT
Wouldn't it surely be capital from first to last and THEN accrued interest? For intra-platform tranches on the same charge it seems fairer for all investors to have a crack af the capital, I haven't seen external charge priority imported yet - if Col could clarify/document. That seems sensible. With accrued interest only being paid after capital.
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Post by sqh on Aug 19, 2017 15:26:10 GMT
I wonder what would happen if a P2P platform went into administration. The administrators could treat the whole loan as a first charge and repay lenders equally regardless of the tranche priority.
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Post by hazellend on Aug 19, 2017 15:29:53 GMT
I wonder what would happen if a P2P platform went into administration. The administrators could treat the whole loan as a first charge and repay lenders equally regardless of the tranche priority. They could do but why would they?
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Post by elephantrosie on Aug 19, 2017 15:36:54 GMT
someone said on another thread that with the rising loan interest, earlier tranches are safer? how does it work out?
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Post by stub8535 on Aug 19, 2017 16:32:10 GMT
I wonder what would happen if a P2P platform went into administration. The administrators could treat the whole loan as a first charge and repay lenders equally regardless of the tranche priority. If a p2p platform goes bust then the underlying assets belong by individual contract to the lenders and will be managed on a rundown basis. Sure, it probably introduces more costs but at least lenders know their loans will pay something back. Odd that some platforms have a company named that will manage the rundown in the event of platform failure that is owned and run by the same people that run the p2p platform in the first place. Sure as eggs is eggs there are some shutdowns coming unless the poorly run platforms order books can be sold to other platforms. Maybe FCA need to look closely at the rundown process next and make it totally arms length from the management/ owners of the original and make max fees structure clear within the terms and conditions?
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Post by star dust on Aug 19, 2017 16:37:02 GMT
someone said on another thread that with the rising loan interest, earlier tranches are safer? how does it work out? All later tranches that rank behind the earlier ones will provide the earlier ones with a protective 'cushion'. Capital is repaid before any accumulated interest. So, ignoring recovery costs for a moment, in the case of this loan only £1.683 million needs to be recovered for all 12% first rank holders to recover their capital money. £2.764 million needs to be recovered for all 12% and 14% loan holders (first and second ranks) to recover their funds (i.e. an extra £1.081m). A further £300k needs to be recovered before any third charge holders the 15% ones recover their capital i.e.£3.064m in total. Thus first charge holders have a £1.381m capital cushion behind them, and the second rank (14%s) currently have a £300k cushion behind them. Further tranches at 15% or higher increase the cushion for the earlier (lower interest rate) tranche holders.
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Post by Collateral Rep on Aug 21, 2017 10:39:58 GMT
Morning,
In the event of a default the recovered loan repayment process to investors is as follows.
Capital will be paid first to investors in rank order as laid out in loan details.
Accruing Interest will then be paid after capital has been repaid to investors in rank order.
Many thanks,
Gordon
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