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Post by riddler on Sept 12, 2017 12:12:37 GMT
Hi Am a noobie here and my question here might be really daft, but could you please clarify this for me? Essentially, I have some exposure to the above two loans and have had them on the SM for sale for a few weeks now, and tracking them on a nearly daily basis. Between yesterday and today however, my sales queue on DFL001 has increased by circa £40k, and on the DFL005 by £200k !! Tried calling Lendy, but they replied that they would have to get back by email within 5 working days. Could you please assist? Cheers
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Post by SteveT on Sept 12, 2017 12:18:09 GMT
Hi Am a noobie here and my question here might be really daft, but could you please clarify this for me? Essentially, I have some exposure to the above two loans and have had them on the SM for sale for a few weeks now, and tracking them on a nearly daily basis. Between yesterday and today however, my sales queue on DFL001 has increased by circa £40k, and on the DFL005 by £200k !! Tried calling Lendy, but they replied that they would have to get back by email within 5 working days. Could you please assist? Cheers See here
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Post by username on Sept 12, 2017 13:26:55 GMT
I think Lendy ought to refund the lost interest on those loan parts for sale, given the misrepresentation of the sales queue.
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Post by riddler on Sept 12, 2017 13:40:19 GMT
I think Lendy ought to refund the lost interest on those loan parts for sale, given the misrepresentation of the sales queue. Agree. The problem here, as I see it is: It is in collective interest of Lendy and other investors to ensure the project goes through to completion and the sales of the properties involved are closed. But there is a considerable amount of arm-twisting here, where the investors who have had their loans on sale for weeks together have only two choices: (a) persist with retaining the loans for sale and living with the fact that the queue just got longer because Lendy wanted to protect its own interests, or (b) unwillingly take a risk, cancel the sale and hope things get better, and if they don't, then go back at the end of the sales queue yet again, should they decide to sell these participations at a later point in time. The net result is a no-win for such investors - surely, there should be some way by which Lendy should be held accountable in such cases? Else I expect investors to vote with their feet, and sell en masse, which is only going to make matters worse for both the larger interests of project completion as well as the parochial interests of Lendy themselves.
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Post by chielamangus on Sept 12, 2017 15:32:04 GMT
The only power investors have is to vote with their feet. The effective selling commission that Lendy now takes on many loans is 2-6 per cent and rising. Factor that in to 12 per cent interest (if you get that much) and you can see this game of risks is not worth the candle. Seems like a suicidal course for Lendy but then they may only have very short term aspirations. In fact, the only reason for this approach by Lendy that I can see is to maximise short term gains, since the longer term has no interest for them.
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Post by loftankerman on Sept 12, 2017 16:07:02 GMT
The only power investors have is to vote with their feet. The effective selling commission that Lendy now takes on many loans is 2-6 per cent and rising. Factor that in to 12 per cent interest (if you get that much) and you can see this game of risks is not worth the candle. Seems like a suicidal course for Lendy but then they may only have very short term aspirations. In fact, the only reason for this approach by Lendy that I can see is to maximise short term gains, since the longer term has no interest for them. I'm with them on that, my Lendy aspirations are also very short term. My longer term interests have been well established elsewhere over the past six months.
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Post by warn on Sept 13, 2017 6:59:38 GMT
I imagine Lendy have already considered and rejected this, but it might take some of the appearance of chiz out of the issue were they to implement a single FIFO queue, rather than favouring one class of loan parts over another.
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Post by chielamangus on Sept 13, 2017 8:02:00 GMT
The last straw for me was what happened a few days ago with DFL01. My loan parts have been 4 months in the queue - that is 4 per cent lost already - and I was just £150 from the front. Another week or so and my loan parts would have been sold. Then Lendy grant another loan to the borrower, not even a tranche previously listed, and I am £40k from the front now. Clearly, Lendy have prevented me from selling my loan parts and I will now have to wait until the loan ends, whenever that will be, and accept the outcome. Lendy have changed the rules of the game (again) in their favour. This is sharp practice at best. At worst, well, I would get banned from this forum if I say what I really think. On principle (yes, its not just about money) I want nothing more to do with this platform, but it will take months, if not years, to liquidate my loans.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Sept 13, 2017 8:38:06 GMT
DFL005 is the only loan I made a mistake with in buying a loan part. I have tried to sell it twice now, but have given up because I have come to the conclusion I am probably better off keeping it in the hope that it will be paid back 'cleanly'.
I will of course keep an eye on the SM just in case the Q miraculously shrinks to <£10k........I would say IMO unless the reason is to quit Lendy completely, joining long Qs is a waste of time and a lot of lost interest.
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Post by mosaic on Sept 13, 2017 9:13:25 GMT
By implementing this process, Lendy are at the least immoral, at the worst ....
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Post by riddler on Sept 13, 2017 9:34:40 GMT
DFL005 is the only loan I made a mistake with in buying a loan part. I have tried to sell it twice now, but have given up because I have come to the conclusion I am probably better off keeping it in the hope that it will be paid back 'cleanly'. I will of course keep an eye on the SM just in case the Q miraculously shrinks to <£10k........I would say IMO unless the reason is to quit Lendy completely, joining long Qs is a waste of time and a lot of lost interest. Agree, I have done the same - gone ahead and cancelled the sale yesterday.
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Post by riddler on Sept 13, 2017 9:35:43 GMT
The last straw for me was what happened a few days ago with DFL01. My loan parts have been 4 months in the queue - that is 4 per cent lost already - and I was just £150 from the front. Another week or so and my loan parts would have been sold. Then Lendy grant another loan to the borrower, not even a tranche previously listed, and I am £40k from the front now. Clearly, Lendy have prevented me from selling my loan parts and I will now have to wait until the loan ends, whenever that will be, and accept the outcome. Lendy have changed the rules of the game (again) in their favour. This is sharp practice at best. At worst, well, I would get banned from this forum if I say what I really think. On principle (yes, its not just about money) I want nothing more to do with this platform, but it will take months, if not years, to liquidate my loans. What's the general approach here among those with a stake in DFL001? Is the preference to "Cancel Sale" and hope all goes well with the project, or persist with the holdings in the sales queue?
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Post by r1200gs on Sept 13, 2017 11:01:53 GMT
The last straw for me was what happened a few days ago with DFL01. My loan parts have been 4 months in the queue - that is 4 per cent lost already - and I was just £150 from the front. Another week or so and my loan parts would have been sold. Then Lendy grant another loan to the borrower, not even a tranche previously listed, and I am £40k from the front now. Clearly, Lendy have prevented me from selling my loan parts and I will now have to wait until the loan ends, whenever that will be, and accept the outcome. Lendy have changed the rules of the game (again) in their favour. This is sharp practice at best. At worst, well, I would get banned from this forum if I say what I really think. On principle (yes, its not just about money) I want nothing more to do with this platform, but it will take months, if not years, to liquidate my loans. What's the general approach here among those with a stake in DFL001? Is the preference to "Cancel Sale" and hope all goes well with the project, or persist with the holdings in the sales queue? I got out of 001 some time ago, but I hold a good chunk of 005. I have delisted my sales, it's pointless having them for sale right now. I might reconsider if we get one of these long awaited large repayments. Like several others, I am very unhappy with what Lendy have done here, even if I understand why they've done it. While I have delisted 005 from sale, I have added others and will be winding my loan book down for a wile.
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 13, 2017 11:27:50 GMT
The last straw for me was what happened a few days ago with DFL01. My loan parts have been 4 months in the queue - that is 4 per cent lost already - and I was just £150 from the front. Another week or so and my loan parts would have been sold. Then Lendy grant another loan to the borrower, not even a tranche previously listed, and I am £40k from the front now. Clearly, Lendy have prevented me from selling my loan parts and I will now have to wait until the loan ends, whenever that will be, and accept the outcome. Lendy have changed the rules of the game (again) in their favour. This is sharp practice at best. At worst, well, I would get banned from this forum if I say what I really think. On principle (yes, its not just about money) I want nothing more to do with this platform, but it will take months, if not years, to liquidate my loans. Are you sure Lendy have granted another loan to the borrower on DFL001 not DFL002? ISTM that 40k is just whats left from the last advance in May which presumably never filled. If youve been in the queue for 4 months then that suggests there was lender queue before the release of the last tranche so any residual would have been languishing at the back of the queue since then. Nontheless extremely annoying form you point of view. I pulled my minor residual holding after the first month when it was clear it wasnt going to go anywhere fast and I might as well cross my fingers for a good result and earn interest rather than cross my fingers that there were 120k worth of investors with more confidence in the loan than me.
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Post by chielamangus on Sept 13, 2017 11:43:23 GMT
Are you sure Lendy have granted another loan to the borrower on DFL001 not DFL002? ISTM that 40k is just whats left from the last advance in May which presumably never filled. If youve been in the queue for 4 months then that suggests there was lender queue before the release of the last tranche so any residual would have been languishing at the back of the queue since then. Nontheless extremely annoying form you point of view. I pulled my minor residual holding after the first month when it was clear it wasnt going to go anywhere fast and I might as well cross my fingers for a good result and earn interest rather than cross my fingers that there were 120k worth of investors with more confidence in the loan than me. I think you are right. There is no mention by Ly of a further loan and £40k would not go anywhere on that development anyway. So they have just bumped themselves up the queue. Same impact for me, though.
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