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Post by newlender on Sept 30, 2017 3:10:30 GMT
Just looking at my statements page for July- payments up to 31st at 21.56 so totally up-to date.
Earnings - Interest paid by borrowers = £92.08. No payments out.
Total earnings credited in last column = £30.32
Let's look at June....
Earnings = £103.82
Loan sellout fees = £19.60 Nothing else paid out.
Last column earnings = £15.36
What grade would I get if this were a GCSE question and I were asked to calculate my month's earnings from the data available and gave those totals?
Could it be that the new-style statements are now omitting some data - surely not! What might it be? (That gets you a grade 9).
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 30, 2017 6:54:06 GMT
Ah, that'll be the 'potential future cashflow, currently in abeyance owing to flow and control difficulties at the intended point of origination'. Oh, wait, this WASN'T the ENGLISH exam??
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Post by newlender on Sept 30, 2017 7:35:17 GMT
That's a 7 for English but a 9 for Economics.
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Post by aju on Sept 30, 2017 10:22:14 GMT
ah what that really means, i'm guessing, is that statements is broken. I've been recording statements data over the last few months right back to the start of the list and have been wondering if the problems affecting the current month in statements was a bit bigger than just the current period. I was waiting to see if the september one starts to line up with current and all_time loanbook data to see if its an issue.
I think zopa emailed it or announced it recently there were issue with statements and they were fixing it.
I checked back with my data for july and zopas statement in my investing account and it would seem that back in august when I updated july data I had a default that is no longer showing. Interestingly though the current statement says I don't have any new defaults but still the top and bottom line gets the same result. I think in this case its just that the presentation of the data has removed the new defaults part. The bad debt returned is still there though.
I checked a few more months some in 2016 and no defaults are showing at present. The backend is correct but the reporting is incorrect.
Thanks for bringing this up it just means that when I next add sept in I need to make sure of any defaults.
Update: I just checked august it also does not show the default but this time it seems to be calculating it internally as I have a default but the bottom line is different as well. Its now reporting I have more than I actually believe is correct unless the default is now cleared but surely that should be reported in bad debt recovered.
I'll go away and check this more thoroughly when I'm at my PC again.
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Post by newlender on Sept 30, 2017 10:54:21 GMT
It seems as if they have removed any reference to defaults from the main statement. So you could have 'interest earned from borrowers = £100' and right next to it 'earnings' of £30 with no explanation of why. I've looked back a long time to when I know that this was visible by clicking on the 'Show' option next to Earnings. Surely defaults should be a very visible part of the statement. This might be corrected soon - I hope so. Those of us with substantial Z+ holdings know to expect defaults but we still need to see them easily without trawling through the Loan Book.
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Post by aju on Sept 30, 2017 11:27:47 GMT
I agree 100%. As I said I've checked back through 2017/2016 data and the defaults are no longer there. Its not ideal but as far as I can tell this is probably because they are trying to fix an issue with statements that seemed to only affect this months data but now they have removed the defaults - I'm guessing in error at the moment - then to me that is just indicating they are working on it. Not sure why removing it helps and its probably a mistake but who knows. Sadly this is what happens when you are not testing enough and releasing too quickly.
Its a bit worrying that such a silly thing has happened here but i'm guessing they forgot defaults when they were testing this before letting it loose. It does seem that wild changes are getting to the live environment much too often these days but I guess firefighting is like that. I'm betting that the speed of agile programming and flawed testing is the result here but its really not necessary in my opinion.
Recently Zopa suggested they were monitoring the forum regularly and only intervene when we get it wrong but to be honest i'm not sure they are here at all and to be even more honest I'd rather they test test and test again than subject already concerned investors to some of this. Having said that I'm not sure that many will notice any of this stuff anyway. Having said that I would have sat up and wondered about the August one but thats only because I am entering it.
I went back to all_time and checked august default and it lines up with my saved statements data for august. I have 2 new ones in september but they are not there yet. As I said above Augusts bottom line is now ignoring the defaults even though it is still there.
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Post by newlender on Sept 30, 2017 13:59:03 GMT
You can see your total defaults by clicking the question mark next to 'Earnings' on the Summary page. I still have £0 in ISA of course, but the total in 'Investing' doesn't seem to have moved for weeks and is stuck on £350. Has anyone else noticed this figure having changed recently or is the whole reporting of defaults paralyzed? Time to have a look in the Loan Book I suppose, as that is usually up-to-date.
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Post by aju on Sept 30, 2017 17:10:17 GMT
I reported that this value was incorrect to Zopa recently on my investments side and they suggested the most accurate data at that time was in the all_time csv by checking the outstanding column for defaults. They suggested the numbers were not in alignment just over a week ago . see this postPerhaps they have fixed it now. I got the feeling though that the loanbook was the definitive item. Don't forget to include both defaults and settled items in the check though. I just checked my summary and the number in the bad debt info has not changed as far as I can tell. The bad debt figure if I checked today's alltime loanbook would be even bigger than that i reported on the original thread as I think I had another default since that was written. edit: I just checked I thought I had another default since the 21st but I guess I read the online loanbook comments field incorrectly. Checking the defaulted date column in alltime confirmed it. Nothing has changed to my loanbook defaults so far so they have not fixed it yet, itss still reporting incorrectly. I'm kinda wondering what the FCA would think of their current reporting. It also begs the question if they can screew the front screens up this way what is the chance of them screwing the financial data as well. Just a thought.
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