happy
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Post by happy on Oct 10, 2017 9:14:10 GMT
So far I have not seen a single post from a member of The 60 publicly revealing their membership of the new forum and explaining the reasons for them taking their chosen path and how or even if they are planning to share any of their discoveries with this forum. This simpy magnifies the perceived secret nature of this new forum and increases suspicion as to the motives, probably quite wrongly.  You're not reading these posts thoroughly then: Oct 8, 2017 at 10:51am fasty, xell, and 7 more like this Quote Post Options Post by chielamangus on Oct 8, 2017 at 10:51am I am a member of another (non-public) P2P forum, though whether it is the one the mods here are referring to, I have no idea. It is not a secret society, a cabal, or anything furtive or mysterious - it just discusses P2P stuff without any of the restrictions that this forum places on users. The starting post for this thread bespeaks of paranoia and suspicion - the reasons why I no longer post much here and why I value a place with freedom of expression. As far as I am concerned there is space for multiple fora, private and public. ....I stand corrected, to some degree, as your caveats about this maybe or maybe not being the forum in question still leaves an element of doubt and intrigue. To be clear on the subject I have absolutely no issue with what you say about wanting a place where you have freedom of expression and I have no desire to want to stop you or even join your group. It is just a shame it has to happen somewhere where I or any interested forum members cannot even apply to join should we so desire. It seems from the outside that this new forum was created in secrecy with a carefully chosen membership and but for the mods making us aware of it's existence we would all be none the wiser, which in hindsight would perhaps be for the better in some respects. IMHO here hangs the reason for the "secret society" emotions you see posted. Not sure if you could have done it differently TBH as I am obviously not privy to the details of it's gestation but from the outside, now we know of it's existence, it just feels a bit secret, exclusive and somehow a little bit wrong. I hope you understand and appreciate this viewpoint.
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merlin
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Post by merlin on Oct 10, 2017 9:47:58 GMT
Is the "secret forum" actually a secret society or a society with secrets? If the forma such a body has a legal requirement for its members to declare their membership if they are a employed in many occupations - civil service, police, etc. If the later there are no such obligations and there are masses of public bodies that fit into this category even your local golf club, Rotary club, etc. may well qualify. I for one admit to belonging to many of the later type which includes such bodies. So what the **** is the real reason for the whinging on here? IMHO the answer to this may well be a secret only known to the people that run this forum or on second thoughts perhaps not.
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happy
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Post by happy on Oct 10, 2017 10:07:57 GMT
I don't see much whinging merlin but I do see a lots of posters expressing the view that perhaps this did not need to happen this way and it is perhaps not in the best interests of the future of this forum or its members. A secret forum is perhaps not a good way to describe it, it is more a hidden forum as unlike the P2PIF I cannot search the internet and find it like we probably all did to get here in the first place. I am sure The 60 have no sinister motives, they are all part of this group probably because they share the common desire and objective to simplify their interactions and maximise their opportunities in P2P et al unencumbered by what they see as overly restrictrive rules. It's just a shame it happened this way and that communication appears to have stopped, that's all |
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Post by elliotn on Oct 10, 2017 10:21:57 GMT
I don't see much whinging merlin but I do see a lots of posters expressing the view that perhaps this did not need to happen this way and it is perhaps not in the best interests of the future of this forum or its members. A secret forum is perhaps not a good way to describe it, it is more a hidden forum as unlike the P2PIF I cannot search the internet and find it like we probably all did to get here in the first place. I am sure The 60 have no sinister motives, they are all part of this group probably because they share the common desire and objective to simplify their interactions and maximise their opportunities in P2P et al unencumbered by what they see as overly restrictrive rules. It's just a shame it happened this way and that communication appears to have stopped, that's all Perfectly happy with this response which should be taken in the context of several requests made to this forum for a space such as DD Central (or the AC extant forum) when it appeared detailed DD posts on SS might necessarily be curtailed to avoid breaching this forum's public facing t&c which was (understandably) declined because of existing workload commitments. DD Central appears an attempt to address such issues (on a currently reduced headcount) but it would seem an alternative space has already been opened up to fill the gap. As noted it would appear corroborated results may also have been shared to this forum to help others and, importantly, to continue to hold platforms to account (a great asset of this forum). It would seem less a sinister but more a logical extension to the requirements of this forum that were (then) not able to accomodate such requests.
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Post by cooling_dude on Oct 10, 2017 10:29:57 GMT
KYC is a utterly ridiculous idea for a forum, and would likely kill it
The FCA have taken no interest in this forum - they have no reps and used an intermediary to gather ideas. No way would they request it.
To implement it regardless if any FCA request would be... an unbelievable misunderstanding the the actual environment this forum operates in.
Edit - Sorry crossed with many (on stupid tablet that makes posting a bit of a chore)
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username
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Post by username on Oct 10, 2017 11:01:46 GMT
How does one go about joining these private P2P forum(s)? Competition can be good |
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Post by rookyone on Oct 10, 2017 11:07:41 GMT
We see this sort of split or natural progression in many walks of like. If this was the football league, it would be no different than the tops teams monitoring the lower leagues and offering those players who show skill and talent and opportunity to move to better pastures. It is simply the elite looking after their own interests, scouting around for new talent to ensure they stay on top regardless.
I'm afraid that's just part of life.
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Post by registerme on Oct 10, 2017 11:08:42 GMT
KYC is a utterly ridiculous idea for a forum, and would likely kill it
The FCA have taken no interest in this forum - they have no reps and used an intermediary to gather ideas. No way would they request it.
To implement it regardless if any FCA request would be... an unbelievable misunderstanding the the actual environment this forum operates in.
Edit - Sorry crossed with many (on stupid tablet that makes posting a bit of a chore)
Perhaps. Equally a non-anonymous (therefore necessitating some kind of identify verification, therefore creating costs, therefore needing some form of revenue) forum eliminates much of the risks associated with shill marketing, pumping and dumping, pretending to be other than you are, and defamation risk. Similarly, when peoples' real identities are in play, it's amazing how much better behaved they are to each other. I don't think there are any perfect solutions in this space, neither do I think going down the non-anonymous route is necessarily the right idea. But I do think it's one worth considering.
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happy
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Post by happy on Oct 10, 2017 11:14:10 GMT
How does one go about joining these private P2P forum(s)? Competition can be good Wait to be invited, i think
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Post by chris on Oct 10, 2017 11:26:58 GMT
KYC is a utterly ridiculous idea for a forum, and would likely kill it
The FCA have taken no interest in this forum - they have no reps and used an intermediary to gather ideas. No way would they request it.
To implement it regardless if any FCA request would be... an unbelievable misunderstanding the the actual environment this forum operates in.
Edit - Sorry crossed with many (on stupid tablet that makes posting a bit of a chore)
KYC already exists on this forum in the private AC area. Members are required to contact the moderators / AC service desk and confirm their account details to be granted access, where once within that section various restrictions on discussions in the public areas are lifted. I'm sure various improvements could be made to the sign up process but it's perfectly viable for KYC restricted areas to live alongside public areas. That doesn't mean it's desirable but I would counter it being a ridiculous idea.
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Oct 10, 2017 11:33:27 GMT
KYC is a utterly ridiculous idea for a forum, and would likely kill it
The FCA have taken no interest in this forum - they have no reps and used an intermediary to gather ideas. No way would they request it.
To implement it regardless if any FCA request would be... an unbelievable misunderstanding the the actual environment this forum operates in.
Edit - Sorry crossed with many (on stupid tablet that makes posting a bit of a chore)
KYC already exists on this forum in the private AC area. Members are required to contact the moderators / AC service desk and confirm their account details to be granted access, where once within that section various restrictions on discussions in the public areas are lifted. I'm sure various improvements could be made to the sign up process but it's perfectly viable for KYC restricted areas to live alongside public areas. That doesn't mean it's desirable but I would counter it being a ridiculous idea. Wait... That is a platform forum situation that is a consequence of the roundabout way to gain access to that area. I sure hope you're not suggesting that our personal details have been passed to the forum staff for the purpose of KYC...
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Post by chris on Oct 10, 2017 11:34:45 GMT
KYC already exists on this forum in the private AC area. Members are required to contact the moderators / AC service desk and confirm their account details to be granted access, where once within that section various restrictions on discussions in the public areas are lifted. I'm sure various improvements could be made to the sign up process but it's perfectly viable for KYC restricted areas to live alongside public areas. That doesn't mean it's desirable but I would counter it being a ridiculous idea. Wait... That is a platform forum situation that is a consequence of the roundabout way to gain access to that area. I sure hope you're not suggesting that our personalities details have been passed to this forum for the purpose of KYC... No but the user must have passed our KYC to be granted access. Deferred KYC in that sense is quite common.
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Post by yangmills on Oct 10, 2017 12:11:50 GMT
... Equally a non-anonymous (therefore necessitating some kind of identify verification, therefore creating costs, therefore needing some form of revenue) forum eliminates much of the risks associated with shill marketing, pumping and dumping, pretending to be other than you are, and defamation risk. Similarly, when peoples' real identities are in play, it's amazing how much better behaved they are to each other ... But if you eliminate "pumping and dumping" you'd undermine the whole business model of many P2P property platforms ...
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Post by macq on Oct 10, 2017 12:36:35 GMT
Think after 2 days my take on this is - I am grateful for the work done by the mods and now realize how much work it is and of course i want the forum to continue ( i would guess like most people).But if people want to start another forum then that is their right in a free world and who knows in a year or so they may split themselves or another group of people start a forum.With regards DD or comments crossing the platforms hopefully it would only be helpful but it really is up to people to check what they read on here now from other posters so it should be no different in the future
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Post by Liz on Oct 10, 2017 12:41:35 GMT
Don't worry peeps just checked my Trash folder and I have not been invited!!  You don't need an other invite 
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