angrysaveruk
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Post by angrysaveruk on Oct 29, 2017 10:14:25 GMT
What are peoples opinions on a rate rise in November? I think with the turmoil in europe taking off pressure off sterling they will not raise rates.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 29, 2017 10:23:46 GMT
I think they will. I think too many people in power are desperate to wriggle out of BREXIT, raising rates will add to that pressure as it will have a timely impact on our fragile economy. Just like in the USA interest rates have become politicised. A small rise may be all it takes to tip things over the edge - the EU will be there to save the UK with open arms and pockets of course.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Oct 29, 2017 10:26:53 GMT
That is a good point - It might be used by the banking sector/cartel to put pressure on the economy and rethink the Brexit strategy.
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Post by bg on Oct 29, 2017 10:38:33 GMT
I think they will hike. Carney has cried wolf too many times before and I think the market will see him as weak if he doesn't follow through this time. Inflation is 1% above target and while growth is tepid at best, monetary policy is astonishingly accommodative and moving rates back to 50bp still leaves it astonishingly accommodative.
For me me much of the economies problems are caused by low rates and reversing last years emergency cut is not going to do any damage at all - and it at least gives them some wriggle room if the brexit talks or government collapses.
The BOE is independent of the banking sector and government. Low rates are terribly bad for banks profit margins and are partly the reason banks share prices are so depressed.
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Post by yangmills on Oct 29, 2017 11:38:23 GMT
"Dovish hike" of 25bp to 50bp on the base rate. i.e they will hike but imply future rate rises will be very modest. The market has attached an 88% probability to a 25bp hike on 11-Nov which I think is too high. My confidence level is probably more like 65-70%. It's notable that by the 11-Nov-2018 MPC meeting (9 MPC meetings in total) the market attaches a 87% probability of rates being between 50-100bp so the market is only really looking for 25-75bp of hikes over the next year.
I don't really see any domestic reason to hike. CPI is above the target but it's purely cost push rather than demand pull; there's no indication of second round effects coming into play from higher inflation expectations. Labour has no pricing power. The reason to hike is purely exogenous. Sterling has weakened easing financial conditions. Trade-weighted it's still only a 3-4% stronger than the low in late 2008. Other major central banks are tightening. The Fed is now at 1.25% and will moves rates higher slowly over 2018. ECB will start tapering QE next year. Rate differentials are going to go against sterling, which added to weaker growth than it's peers, a balance of payments problem and Brexit, all risks further weakening. As much as anything I think a rate hike is to demonstrate that they can/will hike if necessary. It's sort of cheap protection since the domestic impact of 25bp is negligible but it does impact the carry differentials which tend to drive currency bilaterals.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Oct 29, 2017 11:53:17 GMT
The BOE is independent of the banking sector and government. Although they are meant to be independent - I am not sure that is the case.
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Post by p2pmark on Oct 29, 2017 15:07:53 GMT
I don't think they should hike rates. In addition to the reasons mentioned by yangmills, there are asymmetric impacts to think about because we are at / near the lower bound. If the MPC increase too slowly then it will be relatively easy to correct by increasing rates. If they increase too quickly, then it is harder to fix as interest rates can't go any lower - they'd need to rely on QE which is more unpredictable. The fact there is so much uncertainty around Brexit makes this issue more significant.
Separately, I've never agreed with the argument about increasing rates now to give more room to cut later. If we increase too early then the equilibrium rate would be lower than it otherwise would be, meaning we would need to cut to a lower absolute level than we would otherwise to compensate. And, given we're at / near the lower bound, it may not be possible to cut rates far enough to compensate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 16:47:57 GMT
hike is about right, we have to start getting out of all this debt, plus the benefit of a hike now is that puts powder in the cannon for when we need some action to stimulate the economy and move back to 0.25%
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Post by greatmarko on Nov 2, 2017 13:50:03 GMT
Rates have now risen by 0.25% back up to 0.50% (what they were last year)
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Post by beeje13 on Nov 2, 2017 16:30:56 GMT
But MPC say they are in no rush to raise again, which caused the £ devaluation today.
QE levels maintained. I'd like to see the levels of gilts held by the BoE allowed to fall, but what do I know!
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Post by df on Nov 2, 2017 17:57:11 GMT
I was quite obvious for a while that they will rise by the end of this year. It had to happen to catch up with inflation and recent 0.25% rise in the US, but I don't think there will be another rise for years to come.
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Post by beeje13 on Nov 2, 2017 18:38:04 GMT
I was quite obvious for a while that they will rise by the end of this year. It had to happen to catch up with inflation and recent 0.25% rise in the US, but I don't think there will be another rise for years to come. The 'market' expects the rate to be 1% in three years time. But the US rate has gone from 0.5% to 1.25% since they started increasing last year.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Nov 2, 2017 19:43:38 GMT
'They' need everyone to keep spending, even if folks** have to borrow to stupid levels to do so .. so I expect rates will be kept as low as possible for as long as possible.
** 'folks' of course includes the UKs largest borrower, HMG.
The only long term solution which I can see is for HMG to figure out where to get a LOT more income from, which it can then distribute to the needy (meaning about 90% of the population by then) who can then spend that instead of accumulating even more debts.
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