coogaruk
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Post by coogaruk on Nov 10, 2017 17:58:32 GMT
Although I left my earnings invested, I quit any new lending on FC from the point their latest changes came into effect (18th Sep. if I recall correctly) by which time I had withdrawn an amount equal to my total investment.
Since then my strategy has been to look out for companies which are still profitable but whose share price has suffered badly but which I now consider to be undervalued and with a good dividend yield. Much of my ex-FC money is still sitting as cash earning next to nothing but two months on and I have now reinvested approx. 40% of the capital I withdrew.
I know this is a high-risk strategy and some share yields are very high for a (not always good) reason but feel that the ones I have singled out so far now have limited downside and plenty of upside. If the share price falls further then I will see that as equivalent to a FC default while any rises - along with dividends - will I hope help to maintain an average return which beats FC's projected 7.5% for their 'Balanced' product.
All easier said than done I know but I would be interested to learn of any other strategies / results users may have experienced since FC 'took the fun out' of p2p lending.
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Post by r00lish67 on Nov 10, 2017 18:34:03 GMT
Although I left my earnings invested, I quit any new lending on FC from the point their latest changes came into effect (18th Sep. if I recall correctly) by which time I had withdrawn an amount equal to my total investment. Since then my strategy has been to look out for companies which are still profitable but whose share price has suffered badly but which I now consider to be undervalued and with a good dividend yield. Much of my ex-FC money is still sitting as cash earning next to nothing but two months on and I have now reinvested approx. 40% of the capital I withdrew. I know this is a high-risk strategy and some share yields are very high for a (not always good) reason but feel that the ones I have singled out so far now have limited downside and plenty of upside. If the share price falls further then I will see that as equivalent to a FC default while any rises - along with dividends - will I hope help to maintain an average return which beats FC's projected 7.5% for their 'Balanced' product. All easier said than done I know but I would be interested to learn of any other strategies / results users may have experienced since FC 'took the fun out' of p2p lending. I'm running down a couple of FC property accounts, I do honestly miss it though. Do you not fancy investing more in other P2P platforms instead e.g. MT, Collateral, FS? To your question, those three are probably where the majority of my FC money has gone, although I'm an utter rate tart so will go anywhere where the risk/reward ratio appears good. God knows I don't need another bank account, but if YBS want to offer me £250 to have one, then I'll take it I have never warmed to the idea of doing anything other than passive investing with equities - with what sort of frequency are you buying in/selling out typically?
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Post by mary on Nov 10, 2017 19:31:46 GMT
I'm increasing funds in ArchOver.
Its not "fun", fairly boring in fact, up to 9% interest paid monthly, all loans secured and many with the additional back up of default insurance (which is unique as far as I know). Terms from 6 to 24 months. Zero defaults to date (obviously past performance is no prediction of the future).
Cons - smaller platform, but backed by a bigger financial group, £1k min investment per loan, no SM.
For fun I play RateSetter, got 10% once, but obviously lower returns in general.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Nov 10, 2017 19:34:28 GMT
Mine went to MT and ABLRate (ISA) .. briefly Saving Stream / Lendy, but no longer, plus sundry Investment trusts (I find individual shares too hard to get decent diversity in, whereas ITs offer the diversity level of a UT/OEIC with a much faster in/out option, and sometimes the opportunity to buy in at a reasonable discount). All these have the potential for massive losses, just like FC had/has, but at least I retain a faint glimmer of overall control, and am not longer quite so heavily in hock to a) sterling and b) property prices.
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coogaruk
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Post by coogaruk on Nov 12, 2017 13:07:35 GMT
Do you not fancy investing more in other P2P platforms instead e.g. MT, Collateral, FS? I have never warmed to the idea of doing anything other than passive investing with equities - with what sort of frequency are you buying in/selling out typically? I started my p2p lending with Zopa, expanding into FC & RS later on. I withdrew capital leaving interest invested at Zopa some time ago. From the beginning of next month I will stop lending there. Spot a pattern? That leaves RS as my one and only - and therefore preferred - p2p platform, though following a couple of recent 'wobbles' on their part I have recently adjusted my strategy. I have no desire to extend my involvement in p2p presently, given the way it has been unravelling (in my opinion). As for my frequency of buying and selling shares I can only describe that as sporadic, as I find the dealing and asociated costs prohibitive for the small numbers involved. Six times max since my FC withdrawal, I guess. Started investing in shares 30+ years ago though but have never truly mastered it.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Nov 12, 2017 13:32:37 GMT
Started investing in shares 30+ years ago though but have never truly mastered it. I'm not sure anyone has (Warren Buffet maybe?) .. even Mr Woodford seems to have the odd wobble. My best overall strategy seems to be 'run in the opposite direction to everyone else', but that only 'mostly works'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 13:36:24 GMT
30+ years experience, only recently learnt how to buy and then ensure a stop to protect all of my capital safely. This for me was a big step, now all I have to do is to learn how to sell to maximise my profit (sell at the top), I'm guessing another 30 years or so and I will have cracked that.
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Post by ratrace on Nov 13, 2017 20:40:13 GMT
After the changes on Sept 18th l moved all the money l could from FC and moved it into P2P Global and RDL ITs. Because been a income/value investor at heart. l felt this would be a rather better place for my P2P money due to the large discounts and decent yields on offer with these lTs.
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Post by dorset on Nov 14, 2017 14:35:56 GMT
I put an extra £15k into FC in the two weeks leading up to 18 September (thanks to everyone who unloaded their A/B/C/Ds on the SM at very low premiums!!). Picked loans with some care trying to avoid the IMHO 30% of FC loans that are complete lemons. Since the 18th all of my FC loan portfolio (no property) is now gently running down. Funds withdrawn so far going into RS at 6%+ five year and Assetz. Will take a look at FC in about a year or so to see how the loss of control is impacting on returns.
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coogaruk
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Post by coogaruk on Nov 14, 2017 15:59:06 GMT
I put an extra £15k into FC in the two weeks leading up to 18 September (thanks to everyone who unloaded their A/B/C/Ds on the SM at very low premiums!!). You're most welcome, I'm sure. Mind you, I did make about 25% of my own total FC returns via the SM
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Post by easylender on Nov 17, 2017 22:35:10 GMT
I’ve let my old FC account run down since the alleged exit from property lending. In that time around 40% has repaid and been withdrawn from the platform. I am treating the new FC black box scheme like a new platform for which I have opened a new account and dribbled in £5k to maximise diversification and test the water. The plan is to stick at that and assess the performance in 6 months.
Since the claimed property lending exit my funds have been moving over to MT and Col. However the flow of good new loans is too slow to build up adequate diversification. My overall impression is that loan rates and quality are falling, possibly as a result of more money entering the marketplace from IFISAs and institutional investors, and that the best days of P2P are over.
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Post by ratetart666 on Nov 18, 2017 18:54:37 GMT
Although I left my earnings invested, I quit any new lending on FC from the point their latest changes came into effect (18th Sep. if I recall correctly) by which time I had withdrawn an amount equal to my total investment. Since then my strategy has been to look out for companies which are still profitable but whose share price has suffered badly but which I now consider to be undervalued and with a good dividend yield. Much of my ex-FC money is still sitting as cash earning next to nothing but two months on and I have now reinvested approx. 40% of the capital I withdrew. I know this is a high-risk strategy and some share yields are very high for a (not always good) reason but feel that the ones I have singled out so far now have limited downside and plenty of upside. If the share price falls further then I will see that as equivalent to a FC default while any rises - along with dividends - will I hope help to maintain an average return which beats FC's projected 7.5% for their 'Balanced' product. All easier said than done I know but I would be interested to learn of any other strategies / results users may have experienced since FC 'took the fun out' of p2p lending. Yes, getting fed up with FC. I didn't like the regime post 18 Sep, but gave it a couple of months to settle down. In the meantime, I drip fed holding account funds to another FC account, so as to keep the autobids low (£20). I preferred the old regime where I did my own due diligence so if things go belly up, it was down to me. Not so now since FC took control of my money, so I have no transparency of what I invest in until it is too late. As a result, my default rates have gone up as FC don't seem to do due diligence any more. Maybe we rename them - F****** Careless. Obviously, I discussed my misgivings with FC before the new regime, and was diplomatically told if I didn't like it, I could withdraw my money. Well, that day came and I liquidated 50% of my holding this week , planning to dissolve most of the rest next week. This will leave some dross, but I have made a good profit the last few years. What is my strategy? Some will go into Archover (I like the insured angle), and some into OEICs and Investment Trusts on the Stock Market. I have some experience of this already, using several pots within my portfolio, thereby spreading the risk over many quoted companies. Over the last 2 years within an ISA I have beaten FC percentages. I am now in charge of my own destiny again. I was surprised just how quickly my loans were sold, less than 24 hours, so there are still investors out there with faith in FC, or maybe they have taken their eye off the ball.
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Post by easylender on Nov 18, 2017 20:04:17 GMT
There are no active individual investors in FC now, only institutions and autobid. From what I've seen there have recently been periods with few new loans, so not surprising your loans sold quickly.
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Post by captainconfident on Nov 25, 2017 18:51:00 GMT
For the last 5 years I had two accounts on FC, one an A/A+ only, the other a B-E only. I did this to see which would give the greater return. The decision to black-box the accounts in September has put an end to this. I intended to bale out of one of these once it was clear which gave the better results but this didn't happen, as it never did become clear.
The A/A+ in September showed Gross 9.7 - Net 7.7 The B-E in September showed Gross 12.9 - Net 7.7
This was pretty much constant over the life of the accounts, and why I didn't run either of them down. Now, FC are attempting to make us 7% on a mixed A+-E portfolio, which on past performance looks achievable. However the other option, the reduced risk A/A+ account looks like a banker for FC and poor value for anyone else unless I am being particularly thick.
What am I doing now? Letting the A account run down and for the moment, putting some of the proceeds into the former B-E and for the rest favouring wiseAlpha/Mintos among others.
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Post by agent69 on Nov 26, 2017 10:26:54 GMT
ensure a stop to protect all of my capital safely. If only that were possible!
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