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Post by aju on Nov 10, 2017 23:59:56 GMT
Not sure that this is going to happen very quickly but the zopa blog has just announced some interesting new features for the ISA products. Read more here Zopa Blog - New Isa Features
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Post by newlender on Nov 11, 2017 5:32:02 GMT
Yes, I read that email and the blog with some interest as I decided to sell loans in order to fully fund my ISA and paid the fees (except for Access). My ISA funding is now up to the limit and I already have a >£230 profit. I'd love to hear how Zopa intend to move money across from Investing to ISA without going to cash first; they have not always handled new features well and tend to rush into things a bit. Moving repayments across should be an easy programming task though, as these are already cash when moved into Holding. What worries me a bit is the funding of the ISA through transfers in. Although cash ISAs offer poor returns it would be a mistake to let people transfer without some checks and balances (the £20k limit wouldn't apply if the new cash came from an established ISA, of course). Some cash still is king, despite what the pundits might say. I also reckon that, with the prospect of an ISA from RS, Zopa are keen to get as many £20k allowances as possible asap.
Edit: Just looked at my Investing Statement for the tax year so far. Income £653. Defaults £408. A lot of this is due to past over-exposure to the old Z+ (my choice, my fault) but I do worry that a lot of new investors into the ISA will choose the new Z+ as the rates are more attractive. None of my Z+ loans in the ISA are in trouble (yet!) so I am beginning to think that Zopa have learnt their lesson regarding D and E borrowers and this product will be less volatile. I have 15% of my ISA in Z+ and it would be a big mistake to transfer in huge amounts until we have at least 18 months' data. Even then, probably not a good idea.
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Post by ashtondav on Nov 11, 2017 7:30:46 GMT
I would prefer Zopa spent money ensuring its lenders achieved the estimated returns published.
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Post by aju on Nov 11, 2017 9:25:25 GMT
newlenderOne thing to be aware of is d&e is not the only default issue. Since Zopa details the date of all defaults in all-time csv it's easy to see all the defaulted contracts in sg protected classic. My worry with Isa core is that the default rate may be higher and therefore more damaging than it may seem at present. Hopefully my concern will not be founded but from what I understand from Zopa plus is that generally nothing has changed with lending checks on borrowers so having sg cover will still be a valuable option. Even without this ability there is still some cover on Isa core that with this change will clearly reduce. My current ISA core has 25% sg cover.
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Post by newlender on Nov 11, 2017 16:48:56 GMT
You could be right. I have three Collections listed in my ISA (opened in June) and they're all in Core. None in Z+ yet, but my exposure to D and E loans is minimal now they've tweaked it. I do have a bit of trouble reading those massive CSV files and avoid them if I can, but your point about tracking defaults in Classic on my Investing side is a good one and I'll get out my strongest pair of specs to see what's happening. I'm lucky to have picked up a lot of safeguarded loans in my ISA (43% in fact). If Zopa are reading these posts (I assume they do occasionally) it might be useful to say what a pain it was in the summer having to manually move from Investing Holding into the ISA. Surely this could be automated and a block put on at £19,999.99. As I wanted to be fully funded as quickly as possible, I was having to log on every day to move money.
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Post by 1stwaz on Nov 11, 2017 19:59:24 GMT
Does anyone have a link to Zopa Isa?
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Post by ilmoro on Nov 11, 2017 21:10:52 GMT
Does anyone have a link to Zopa Isa? Links to all P2P ISA here. See also the links beneath the table for comparison tables. Keep posting one liners - youll get to the magic number
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Post by aju on Nov 12, 2017 9:09:02 GMT
Does anyone have a link to Zopa Isa? Links to all P2P ISA here. See also the links beneath the table for comparison tables. Keep posting one liners - youll get to the magic number Ok so i'm intrigued as to how you get the spacing in the table, i've tried numerous ways to get that layout capability resorting to using the courier New font at best. Not sure the rates figures for zopa are accurate but I'm guessing they were on the opening day, of zopa ISA that is.
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Post by ilmoro on Nov 12, 2017 12:11:35 GMT
Links to all P2P ISA here. See also the links beneath the table for comparison tables. Keep posting one liners - youll get to the magic number Ok so i'm intrigued as to how you get the spacing in the table, i've tried numerous ways to get that layout capability resorting to using the courier New font at best. Not sure the rates figures for zopa are accurate but I'm guessing they were on the opening day, of zopa ISA that is. Nothing specific, it seems to sort itself out. Most of it is centred, except for first & last columns. Ive been a little bit busy recently so havent really looked at it. Zopa rates fixed and the link which seems to have died.
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Post by aju on Nov 12, 2017 17:53:22 GMT
Ok so i'm intrigued as to how you get the spacing in the table, i've tried numerous ways to get that layout capability resorting to using the courier New font at best. Not sure the rates figures for zopa are accurate but I'm guessing they were on the opening day, of zopa ISA that is. Nothing specific, it seems to sort itself out. Most of it is centred, except for first & last columns. Ive been a little bit busy recently so havent really looked at it. Zopa rates fixed and the link which seems to have died. So are you using the Table option in BB system or are you creating some sort of table yourself. I tried the internal table but I found it a bit cumbersome so now I just create in my text browser that has fixed width font and then copy into The thread and set the font to Courier new and adjust accordingly. eg BB table Row 1 column 1 | Row 1 column 2 | Row 2 column 1 | Row 2 column 2 |
My table Row 15 column 10 Row 10 column 15 Row 10 column 15 Row 15 column 10
I'm guessing you are using the BB table option and filling the relevant columns manually. Thanks for fixing the rates - and the link works now.
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Post by misotu on Nov 14, 2017 9:24:45 GMT
Yes, I read that email and the blog with some interest as I decided to sell loans in order to fully fund my ISA and paid the fees ... I'd love to hear how Zopa intend to move money across from Investing to ISA without going to cash first; they have not always handled new features well and tend to rush into things a bit. I was quite excited about this too - I misread aju's quote as Zopa saying "you'll be able to transfer your existing Safeguard loans into an ISA wrapper". But it's not. The blog says "As you probably know, the rules around ISAs mean you have to fund them with cash. In practice, for Zopa this means that we can’t just move your existing Zopa investments directly into an ISA – you have to sell your loans and invest in new ones that are in an ISA-wrapped product." And then it goes on to say "So we’re focussing on make (sic) sure that the ISA projected return people have at the end of this process looks as close to the one they had before as possible." Well, if we were simply transferring in our existing Zopa loans, this wouldn't be a problem! So it's still a selling process which is a bit of a downer, given the speed of loan sales when the ISA was originally introduced. The only thing that is really news to me is that people will keep the Safeguard coverage - it reads as if the one-off move from investment to ISA will remain 100% covered by Safeguard. This is not good news for me - I was hoping to pick up a few more Safeguard loans on the secondary market when the fee-free move to ISA period opened up!
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Post by aju on Nov 14, 2017 9:51:49 GMT
Yes, I read that email and the blog with some interest as I decided to sell loans in order to fully fund my ISA and paid the fees ... I'd love to hear how Zopa intend to move money across from Investing to ISA without going to cash first; they have not always handled new features well and tend to rush into things a bit. I was quite excited about this too - I misread aju's quote as Zopa saying "you'll be able to transfer your existing Safeguard loans into an ISA wrapper". But it's not. The blog says "As you probably know, the rules around ISAs mean you have to fund them with cash. In practice, for Zopa this means that we can’t just move your existing Zopa investments directly into an ISA – you have to sell your loans and invest in new ones that are in an ISA-wrapped product." Yeah not sure why zopa framed it that way and then seemingly changed it later down the page. I do think though that the ultimate aim is that. Rather than sell them and someone else pick them up it means they stay with the original owner. I think its the way that everyone felt at the start - it should be possible to do this - just move the loan into an ISA but sadly rules on ISA do not allow this. Interestingly though if I have money in a bank I can just transfer it into an ISA at the blink of an eye so I guess zopa is aiming for something on this line or as near to it as can be achieved. Yeah I get that one and if I had sold my old investments to actually achieve this then I too would be miffed, although to be fair none of us actually realised the SG would be available in this way at the time. Zopa's downward rates do not suit everyone as can be born out by these threads and my guess is there will still be quite a bit of sell out/off going to happen. Being retired I'm not looking for anything more risky than Zopa and the SG was a big winner defaults wise. I am still lending in it until it dies for new lending at the end of the month. One thing though, and thanks for pointing it out, I didn't realise that I will be better off moving my SG money over to my ISA so I will look at that when it arrives to top up my ISA to limit with the relevant amount. I'll move my classic returns out and over to Mrs Aju's ISA and hope that there are still enough (25%+) on SG pickups to make it comfortable whilst keeping it to £10 chunks.
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Post by misotu on Nov 14, 2017 10:12:10 GMT
aju: "Yeah not sure why zopa framed it that way and then seemingly changed it later down the page. I do think though that the ultimate aim is that. Rather than sell them and someone else pick them up it means they stay with the original owner." The wording is oddly framed. But I don't think they can realistically keep loans with the original owner - they do say "you have to sell your loans and invest in new ones that are in an ISA-wrapped product". Unless they are doing something a bit squirly to get round HMRC restrictions?
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Post by fuzzyiceberg on Nov 14, 2017 12:39:44 GMT
ISA rules require the ISA subscription must be in cash (albeit there a couple of special circumstances exceptions for shares). I expect that as usual this is because HMRC imagined some tax avoidance would take place if they allow investment in specie. On the 'new' loans point I see no reason why it has to be a different borrower in the ISA than that being sold from the non ISA investment, just 'new' to the ISA, in as much as purchased within the ISA wrapper from cash subscribed. After all it is well known and accepted that one can 'bed and ISA' shares (sell shares in X plc owned outside an ISA, contribute the sales proceeds to an ISA, repurchase shares in X plc within the ISA) - have done that myself many times.
So it seems to me Zopa could, for example buy loan part 1 from me for cash, automatically transfer the proceeds into my ISA and then sell my ISA loan part 1 in return for the contributed cash. Repeat until either no ISA loans left or ISA subscription limit reached.
If this is too 'pre ordained' to pass muster with HMRC then they will need to pool loan parts purchased from other investors and sell back loan parts to try to replicated as well as possible the original portfolio, trickier but doable obviously.
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Post by wyndstryke on Nov 14, 2017 14:44:07 GMT
... So it seems to me Zopa could, for example buy loan part 1 from me for cash, automatically transfer the proceeds into my ISA and then sell my ISA loan part 1 in return for the contributed cash. Repeat until either no ISA loans left or ISA subscription limit reached. ... Yeah, this is how I am interpreting it (given the comment about keeping things in the safeguard wrapper). It's really not clear though... could easily be something else.
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