dawn
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Post by dawn on Nov 22, 2017 17:32:17 GMT
I am looking for a different P2P lender to try and was hoping to get an idea of the advantages and disadvantages of FundingSecure over other P2P platforms. What are the main pluses of this platform and, conversely, what are the things to watch out for? I am currently with ABLrate, AssetzCapital, Collateral, Moneything and Lendy (as well as having a LendingCrowd account with only defaults in it and a FundingCircle account that is running down organically (also with defaults but some loans just running down)). FundingSecure seems to be mainly property with some being BTL but does it do other stuff as well and how is it regarding handling of late payments and defaults? Any other useful pluses or minuses would also be gratefully appreciated.
Many thanks (in anticipation)
edit - there is a niggling thought in my head that I was avoiding FS for a reason and I think it might be to do with how sales and purchases on the secondary market are handled as far as tax reporting - was that this platform or am I getting it muddled with another?
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Post by rs on Nov 22, 2017 17:40:23 GMT
I am looking for a different P2P lender to try and was hoping to get an idea of the advantages and disadvantages of FundingSecure over other P2P platforms. What are the main pluses of this platform and, conversely, what are the things to watch out for? I am currently with ABLrate, AssetzCapital, Collateral, Moneything and Lendy (as well as having a LendingCrowd account with only defaults in it and a FundingCircle account that is running down organically (also with defaults but some loans just running down)). FundingSecure seems to be mainly property with some being BTL but does it do other stuff as well and how is it regarding handling of late payments and defaults? Any other useful pluses or minuses would also be gratefully appreciated. Many thanks (in anticipation) edit - there is a niggling thought in my head that I was avoiding FS for a reason and I think it might be to do with how sales and purchases on the secondary market are handled as far as tax reporting - was that this platform or am I getting it muddled with another? FS is good. Only have good thing to say about FS. Have a look at Whitehaven loan comments on this website. SM is quite liquid if adequate discounts offered currently. But who know how the future will look like.
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Post by archie on Nov 22, 2017 17:49:27 GMT
edit - there is a niggling thought in my head that I was avoiding FS for a reason and I think it might be to do with how sales and purchases on the secondary market are handled as far as tax reporting - was that this platform or am I getting it muddled with another? If you buy anything on the sm you inherit the tax liability.
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Post by ali on Nov 22, 2017 17:58:03 GMT
I am looking for a different P2P lender to try and was hoping to get an idea of the advantages and disadvantages of FundingSecure over other P2P platforms. What are the main pluses of this platform and, conversely, what are the things to watch out for? I am currently with ABLrate, AssetzCapital, Collateral, Moneything and Lendy (as well as having a LendingCrowd account with only defaults in it and a FundingCircle account that is running down organically (also with defaults but some loans just running down)). FundingSecure seems to be mainly property with some being BTL but does it do other stuff as well and how is it regarding handling of late payments and defaults? Any other useful pluses or minuses would also be gratefully appreciated. Many thanks (in anticipation) edit - there is a niggling thought in my head that I was avoiding FS for a reason and I think it might be to do with how sales and purchases on the secondary market are handled as far as tax reporting - was that this platform or am I getting it muddled with another? I like FundingSecure. Main advantages: excellent deal flow, very active & liquid SM, some very decent returns on lower risk loans. Main disadvantages: poor monitoring of development projects, very varied loan risk profiles, somewhat varied loan interest rates (as low as 8% recently). The tax setup on the SM is more complicated than many platforms. It does take some effort to get your head round (well, it did for me anyway). I think it's worth it for the advantages it gives.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 22, 2017 18:03:45 GMT
FS has made crass mistakes (IMHO even been negligent) in their own management of certain well documented and ongoing failing loans, and their bulls*****ng borrowers. (So have other platforms).
For this reason some lenders have great mistrust over FS's actual competence, especially as they work on a pawnbroker principle, meaning a borrower does not pay a penny of interest while in possession of the loan, until it is redeemed.
Having stated the obvious, FS still has a lot of credible loans on its books and the flow of loans is good. Some of them appear well worth investigating, and investing in, especially when they are new ones, or properly monitored developments, but it is very useful to find out who the borrowers are on most of them; how many other loans they are taking out on various platforms, and make judgements from their web reputations whether their use of your money is actually deserved rather than dodgy - never mind the apparent security value (which is almost always inflated). The secondary market is very good for selling. Be aware of the tax situation if you are buying; you pay the whole lot, not the seller.
So be wary, I'm still in FS.
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Post by routlep on Nov 22, 2017 18:15:54 GMT
On balance I would recommend FS currently, mostly because the secondary market is liquid. Howver, when/if that starts to dry up.....
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Post by mrclondon on Nov 22, 2017 18:25:57 GMT
FS is now my largest p2p platform, infact I have well over twice the amount in FS that I have in any other platform. oldgrumpy 's post is a pretty good summary. The deal flow is high, the SM astonishingly liquid (but this could change in a flash), and for tax payers the discount needed to guarantee a sale is significantly less than the tax liability being passed on. The quality of the loans varies dramatically, and given FS's "lapses in concentration" (putting it as politely as I can) the % loss on default across the whole loanbook is probably going to be higher than other platforms. That said, I've only had capital losses on two loans* since FS launched (some really awful modern art, and the NI Wind turbine), and I only hold two distressed loans (2 x powerboats) so I'm inevitably going to be more upbeat than most FS lenders who will be experiencing the anxiety of a multitude of distressed loans, some of which should never have been written by FS (e.g. Wimbledon, Rishton, Whitehaven development tranches) But to be clear, almost all p2p platforms have written loans that they shouldn't have, and in many cases the chickens haven't come home to roost yet. * whilst acknowledging that FS have covered minor capital losses as a goodwill gesture on a handful of other loans I've been involved in before the SM was launched.
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Post by marx on Nov 22, 2017 18:59:40 GMT
I rushed into FS, mainly based on sentiment gleaned from this board, thinking it might be risky but profitable. I had about 5% of my total p2p pot on the platform when I started digging more carefully into the default threads on here. What is a superb crowd-archive was not very favourable to FS. I was actually a bit astonished at the level of dysfunction and evident bad faith that FS appeared comfortable operating with. If I was more experienced at evaluating loans I might have hung around to cherry pick, but I'm currently exiting the platform and hoping the over-enthusiasm of the ingénue doesn't earn me a a bunch of newbie default-scars.
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Post by copacetic on Nov 22, 2017 21:42:40 GMT
I'd only recommend a handful of the perhaps 20 or so loans they email me each week. FS have some very low LTV loans with good rates but I have to admit I cherry pick these and stay away from most of their offerings. I'd recommend reading the loan summaries closely because they often state the loan is secured by a first legal charge then go on to say this particular tranche ranks behind other tranches. This means you effectively have a second or third charge security which in the case of a default is much more likely to suffer total capital loss (especially with over-optimistic valuations which seems to be rife on a lot of p2p platforms).
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Post by hendragon on Nov 22, 2017 22:37:16 GMT
The main problem of FS is that interest is only paid at term. Should a loan default the outstanding interest combined with interest that accrues will eat into the value of the asset taken as security very rapidly. I prefer loans that pay interest monthly.
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Post by df on Nov 23, 2017 0:21:57 GMT
I am looking for a different P2P lender to try and was hoping to get an idea of the advantages and disadvantages of FundingSecure over other P2P platforms. What are the main pluses of this platform and, conversely, what are the things to watch out for? I am currently with ABLrate, AssetzCapital, Collateral, Moneything and Lendy (as well as having a LendingCrowd account with only defaults in it and a FundingCircle account that is running down organically (also with defaults but some loans just running down)). FundingSecure seems to be mainly property with some being BTL but does it do other stuff as well and how is it regarding handling of late payments and defaults? Any other useful pluses or minuses would also be gratefully appreciated. Many thanks (in anticipation) edit - there is a niggling thought in my head that I was avoiding FS for a reason and I think it might be to do with how sales and purchases on the secondary market are handled as far as tax reporting - was that this platform or am I getting it muddled with another? FS is my second largest p2p allocation (14%). It's not because I like it, but probably a result of more frequent loan flow than L, MT, Col and ABL. I prioritise diversification over quality, which results in having more funds in platforms like AC, FS and FC than in Abl, MT and Col. FS is a pawn lender that moved into property sector, the same what happened to MT and Col. There are still a fair proportion of pawn loans, but the renewals are difficult to get and the new ones are rare and come at lower rates. Many pawn loans on FS are secured on obscure items such as medals, letters, guitar signed by former American president, miniature models of trains, books, boats etc. These are not easy to sell when defaulted. Most loans are secured on property, but there is no comprehensive DD in place or available info to help you to do your own (very different from AC). Probably bad comparison, but it is similar to FC - lots of loans, but lack of information for trying to do your own DD. I particularly dislike how they fiddle with loan names, probaly to get you investing in the same loan again. You have to be careful - they swap words around, add new words to the title and give a new number when the loan is renewed. Late payments are the norm, but like on Lendy, occasionally you get loan repaid on time or even earlier. I have a substantial portfolio of "unredeemed" and up to 5 month overdue "active" loans. I don't think FS handles defaults very well. SM. Buying is easy. Selling is not unless you put a generous discount on your loan part. If tax liability is an issue, you should avoid buying on SM.
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Post by Godanubis on Nov 23, 2017 1:36:33 GMT
The main problem of FS is that interest is only paid at term. Should a loan default the outstanding interest combined with interest that accrues will eat into the value of the asset taken as security very rapidly. I prefer loans that pay interest monthly. If it pays monthly and not in your0 FISA you cant avoid the TAX (without going to the Bahamas) Your FISA is the place to buy high return SM loans. If you want interest just sell it monthly and buy a new loan. Selling before term avoids all the risks inherent in the loans and Tax liability and only leaves platform failure as minimal risk factor. Selling a 13% loan you have held from the start at a 1% discount with 31 days to go still pays a higher return 10.8% APR as opposed to letting it run and paying Tax at 20% which gives 10.4% APR and only 7.8% for a 40% Tax payer. . Keep things as they are for savvy investors learn how the site works best for you. Lendy or Funding Circle pay monthly but with lower returns and secondary market and no FISA .
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Post by elliotn on Nov 23, 2017 3:28:05 GMT
You'll see threads of this ilk on the board. I have several loans in default from a year ago, I don't even bother reading their circuitous updates anymore.
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Post by elliotn on Nov 23, 2017 3:34:16 GMT
www.financialthing.com/funding-secure-review/Edit - there is an example of the dashboard in this link but names are generic ie Liverpool, Wirral, Formby (and other such unbanked, Scouse delights) rather than disclosing asset addresses.
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Post by keith on Nov 23, 2017 7:26:30 GMT
I'd only recommend a handful of the perhaps 20 or so loans they email me each week. FS have some very low LTV loans with good rates but I have to admit I cherry pick these and stay away from most of their offerings. I'd recommend reading the loan summaries closely because they often state the loan is secured by a first legal charge then go on to say this particular tranche ranks behind other tranches. This means you effectively have a second or third charge security which in the case of a default is much more likely to suffer total capital loss (especially with over-optimistic valuations which seems to be rife on a lot of p2p platforms). The title didn’t ask what they should be recommended for! I am sure I could add a few suggestions but I would no doubt be banned once again. To the above I would also add to be sceptical of renewals. This bunch have “previous” in not doing the right checks etc and often these renewals pop up without comment or observation other than “this is a renewal....paid the interest......” but no observation as to how things are going otherwise. Given the well-known valuation issues, this trappist approach to communication makes renewals a no-no for me.
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