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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Jul 24, 2014 16:39:06 GMT
Manchester Hotel Loan 74%ltv (initially) 150k 36month fully amortizing
Starts 25th Jul 2014 at 10:00
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Post by yorkshireman on Jul 24, 2014 19:02:03 GMT
There are some enlightening comments on Trip Advisor about this hotel.
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Post by kermie on Jul 24, 2014 19:07:31 GMT
Whilst fully amortising over the full term (3 years), note that it is a second charge which means LTV is down to 65% rather than 0% at the end of the term.
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Post by chris on Jul 24, 2014 20:38:24 GMT
Manchester Hotel Loan 74%ltv (initially) 150k 36month fully amortizing Starts 25th Jul 2014 at 10:00 So, hope everyone noticed and appreciated the short loan title on this one. Fought a lot of battles but have emerged victorious
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Post by mrclondon on Jul 24, 2014 20:54:38 GMT
Throughout the 1990's I lived a quarter of a mile from where this hotel is, and it was just being built (as a care home) at the time I moved out of the area. You really wouldn't want to be in that building on speedway nights, the noise was irritating enough some distance away, I dread to think what it must be like in the hotel. The dogs were slightly more bearable, but no doubt adjacent the noise would also be annoying. And you probably wouldn't want to park anything more valuable than a beaten up Lada in the car park ... the bottom of my cul de sac was a popular place for joyridders to torch BMW, Porsches etc. ... after buying their supply of drugs from one of several Mercedes cruising the neighborhood. (So yes, a very rough area, but it was convenient for dealing with very regular callouts in the middle of the night from my work which was in the vicinity.)
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Jul 24, 2014 21:50:28 GMT
Throughout the 1990's I lived a quarter of a mile from where this hotel is, and it was just being built (as a care home) at the time I moved out of the area. You really wouldn't want to be in that building on speedway nights, the noise was irritating enough some distance away, I dread to think what it must be like in the hotel. The dogs were slightly more bearable, but no doubt adjacent the noise would also be annoying. And you probably wouldn't want to park anything more valuable than a beaten up Lada in the car park ... the bottom of my cul de sac was a popular place for joyridders to torch BMW, Porsches etc. ... after buying their supply of drugs from one of several Mercedes cruising the neighborhood. (So yes, a very rough area, but it was convenient for dealing with very regular callouts in the middle of the night from my work which was in the vicinity.) I take it that you mention this now because... AH has just gone off on his hols and will be soon enjoying his freebie 'Thank You' at the Hotel and you want to let him down gently?
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jul 25, 2014 7:38:32 GMT
Manchester Hotel Loan 74%ltv (initially) 150k 36month fully amortizing Starts 25th Jul 2014 at 10:00 So, hope everyone noticed and appreciated the short loan title on this one. Fought a lot of battles but have emerged victorious I'm sure it wasn't you who decided (for brevity, of course) that the lender rate of 10% should not appear anywhere on the front page before the auction starts! (Or increased the number of rooms from 88 to 85! ) edit: Ah! It doesn't on L-retail2 either. Maybe they only show when the auction starts for real.
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Post by chris on Jul 25, 2014 7:50:14 GMT
So, hope everyone noticed and appreciated the short loan title on this one. Fought a lot of battles but have emerged victorious I'm sure it wasn't you who decided (for brevity, of course) that the lender rate of 10% should not appear anywhere on the front page before the auction starts! (Or increased the number of rooms from 88 to 85! ) Dagnabbit. Hotfix is in the works.
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Post by batchoy on Jul 25, 2014 8:32:34 GMT
It would be useful to have occupancy rate figures and the some idea of the refurbishment project plan so that an assessment as to whether or not the reduction in the number rooms whilst they under go refurbishment will have a significant effect on turnover and thus the ability to service the loan.
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Post by Jack Barlow on Jul 25, 2014 10:13:26 GMT
So, hope everyone noticed and appreciated the short loan title on this one. Fought a lot of battles but have emerged victorious chrisI'm happy for you to use the short loan names in the on-screen displays as it makes it look tidier. However, I'm not at all happy that you've also used the short names in the Loans xls download. As I mentioned when we discussed this offline a couple of weeks ago, the short loan names are not all unique so in order to maintain an audit trail the entries in the Loans xls (and Statement xls) need to either include the full loan name, the auction number or the loan reference number (each of which are unique). You’ve done this in the Statement xls but not in the Loans xls. Please would you reinstate the long loan names in the Loans xls file, or alternatively (if it’s possible) you could retrospectively make the existing short loan names unique and introduce a naming process that ensures all future short loan names are unique. Out of the AC loans drawn down to date, the following short loan names are non-unique: - Bolton Bridging Loan (auctions 50 and 103) - Green Deal Boiler Installer (auctions 58 and 63) - Anglesey Bridging Loan (auctions 60 and 102) - London Law Firm (auctions 85 and 95) Thanks Jack
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Post by chris on Jul 25, 2014 10:14:39 GMT
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Post by pikestaff on Jul 25, 2014 11:32:38 GMT
It would be useful to have occupancy rate figures and the some idea of the refurbishment project plan so that an assessment as to whether or not the reduction in the number rooms whilst they under go refurbishment will have a significant effect on turnover and thus the ability to service the loan. It's all in the credit report. They have 3 floors of rooms and are planning to refurb 1 at a time. With current occupancy 60% that should be manageable. As yorkshireman as pointed out, reviews are mixed. However, tripadvisor ranks the hotel 60th of 117 in Manchester (before the refurb) which is not too bad. And it's very cheap (even with the proposed price increase). My impression is the management know what they are doing and the LTV is solid. I rate it above C****** C****** Hotel (auction 36) on both counts.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jul 25, 2014 13:22:16 GMT
Whilst fully amortising over the full term (3 years), note that it is a second charge which means LTV is down to 65% rather than 0% at the end of the term. kermie: Where did the 65% number come from? I can see there's a mention of 65% in the summary description, but that relates to the LTV after the refurbishment is complete and the valuation increases to £2.4M. (£1.4M + £150k) / £2.4M = 65%) The most important thing I note in the Valuation Report is the 29% markdown felt necessary to achieve a sale in six months - from £2.1M to £1.5M. Based on that lower value, the LTV of the first charge would be 93%. (Haven't AC used the six-month value as the basis for its LTV calculations in the past?) This emphasises the difficulty in selling large properties with limited uses and a limited pool of buyers. Even after the refurbishment increases the 'normal' valuation to £2.4M, if I assume a similar discount for a forced sale the sale price would be about £1.7M, which might mean there wouldn't be enough after the costs of forcing the sale and paying off the first charge (including any accrued interest) to cover the capital and interest owing on AC's second charge. The valuation also makes it very clear how dependent the potential sale price is on the property being sold as a going concern. If it isn't, it would seem that the first charge holder would have to take a significant loss, so the second charge holders wouldn't receive anything at all from a forced sale. Considering the risks involved in a situation where the first charge has a reasonably high LTV, the 10% interest rate on the second charge seems rather low -- but that's JMHO. So this one isn't for me, unless someone can convince me that my thinking is wrong. pikestaff: The most important difference between this loan and C****** C****** Hotel (auction 36) is that the former is a second charge behind a 67% LTV first charge, and the latter is a first charge that started at less than 50% and is amortising (albeit very slowly).
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Post by Jack Barlow on Jul 25, 2014 13:42:29 GMT
I like the business but have the same reservations as mikes1531 and kermie about the security.
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Post by kermie on Jul 25, 2014 19:16:18 GMT
Whilst fully amortising over the full term (3 years), note that it is a second charge which means LTV is down to 65% rather than 0% at the end of the term. kermie: Where did the 65% number come from? I can see there's a mention of 65% in the summary description, but that relates to the LTV after the refurbishment is complete and the valuation increases to £2.4M. (£1.4M + £150k) / £2.4M = 65%) ... So this one isn't for me, unless someone can convince me that my thinking is wrong. Yup, sorry - I misread where the 65% LTV came from - as you say, that's a result of increased value due to refurbishment. Your comment about 29% mark-down is a little frightening - that could easily start to eat into the capital. Not so sure about this loan - maybe I will pick up something small on the AM if there's nothing else going, but I'm not hugely impressed with the security.
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