rogerthat
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Post by rogerthat on Dec 21, 2017 14:09:03 GMT
As an aside I note that there are only 9 loan parts up on the SM totalling £1400... Just flippers; they're on at +0.8% premium. Not likely to find takers at that level, I'd guess. With 12% available from source ?...you'd think not but my slant was more towards that of the original loan of £200K...with only £1400 back on the SM, it hardly suggests a significant change of heart
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Post by michaelc on Dec 21, 2017 14:33:22 GMT
What concerns me most about this one is the planning history as evidenced at the admittedly awful Broxbourne planning portal. The VR has pictures dated early Nov showing demolition complete and construction under way, but only at the beginning of November was a planning application made to discharge the pre-development conditions including the provision of a statement on dust & noise mitigation during the demolition. That is still under consideration. Perhaps of greater concern is a planning application was submitted in November (also still under consideration) to vary condition 2 - the approved plans. Its described as a change in the elevation the entrance is situated in, but from the plans it appears as if the development's footprint has increased as well (but I may be misinterpreting the plans ....). I assume construction which is well under way is to this new layout. I'm going to continue to stay well clear of this one at least until the condition 2 variation application has been approved. All good and well researched points. However, my understanding is that discharging conditions do not come with the uncertainty that planning approval itself does. They are concrete steps to follow that must be completed. If they have increased the footprint in a way that can't be tacked on like an extension (so hedging their bets as the build progresses) and if they are already building to that new plan and if the new planning application is rejected I _still_ can't see them ultimately being forced to take it down although admittedly I haven't looked at the plans in detail. Realistically, when push comes to shove, how many new buildings are actually demolished? I don't know the answer to that but I think it is limited to a few high profile cases? In this case, the appeal or the retrospective application would ultimately be approve IMO (and not having seen the plans but assuming not hugely bigger as otherwise mclondon would have said with greater certainty that the footprint had increased).
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Post by rogerthat on Dec 21, 2017 14:36:21 GMT
Whale alert ! erm..ok well maybe minnows
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Post by mrclondon on Dec 21, 2017 14:43:28 GMT
michaelc Whilst agreeing with the points you make, if an apparent "lets chance it" strategy is being employed with regard to planning, it raises the question as to what other short-cuts are being employed either on this project or others that are in progress. And whether the sum of the short cuts increases either the risk of default, or the risk of loss on default. Not to mention the moral aspect ... do I really want to lend to a borrower who has apparently so little regard for the neighbours that he demolished the old property before seeking approval for the method statement on how that demolition would be accomplished.
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Post by adrian77 on Dec 21, 2017 14:59:00 GMT
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Post by rogerthat on Dec 21, 2017 15:01:35 GMT
The very reason I exited the Alps in Suffolk
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Post by rogerthat on Feb 14, 2018 16:00:21 GMT
Note the 3d tranche is due for tomorrow 15th..but it says at 10am on email ?
Checked 10am start time is correct
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Post by r00lish67 on Jun 6, 2018 9:23:15 GMT
T1 renewal now up for tomorrow. My attention was drawn to this:
"This was the first tranche of an overall facility of £396,000. All funds have now been drawn down on the facility and based on the increase in this loan we have increased the facility to £419,500"
That's all well and good for the 1st tranche holders who have the chance to opt out of the renewal, but what about T2,T3,T4 holders who have now had borrowing extended beyond the original facility without any say in the matter?
I don't recall seeing this before, and it's most unwelcome - is this setting a precedent? Does this mean FS can/will now extend other loans facilities simply by renewing tranches?
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Post by jaswells on Jun 6, 2018 9:29:58 GMT
Thats a bloody ugly house they've built. Glad to see money is going to good use.
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Post by aj on Jun 6, 2018 9:49:24 GMT
Thats a bloody ugly house they've built. Glad to see money is going to good use. I particularly like that their idea of landscaping is to tarmac all remaining land.
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Post by james21 on Jun 6, 2018 9:52:54 GMT
T1 renewal now up for tomorrow. My attention was drawn to this: "This was the first tranche of an overall facility of £396,000. All funds have now been drawn down on the facility and based on the increase in this loan we have increased the facility to £419,500"That's all well and good for the 1st tranche holders who have the chance to opt out of the renewal, but what about T2,T3,T4 holders who have now had borrowing extended beyond the original facility without any say in the matter? I don't recall seeing this before, and it's most unwelcome - is this setting a precedent? Does this mean FS can/will now extend other loans facilities simply by renewing tranches? Not the first time I have seen this, one of the problems with tranche loans (apart from some ranking behind becoming a 2nd loan) is that you tend to get trapped in the tranches that are not put up for renewal, one reason being that to renew a tranche the interest has to be paid and to do this an increase in value of the security has to be shown. FS keep the "increase in value" to justify future tranches as the LTV is already maxed out. These comments are not accurate in every case but are many cases
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Post by adrian77 on Jun 6, 2018 9:56:43 GMT
This is about the worst house I have ever seen and really does not fit into the local area - it is dreadful and talk about being smacked with the ugly stick!
It looks to me as if both units are for sale and they look overpriced to me by about £50K - £300K is the agents asking price which does not constitute a valuation in my book.
If this one nets £500K that is 84% LTV - I guess the borrower has 6 months to sell it before he hits problems?
I really don't like to see increased borrowing and renewals
Smutty!
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Post by rogerthat on Jun 6, 2018 10:20:22 GMT
T2 2016414640 is due for renewal in around 18days..currently 64.4% LTV...so what effect (if any) will the R & I of T1 have on that ?
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Post by adrian77 on Jun 6, 2018 10:32:59 GMT
is this legal - really don't like this - as I see it investors invested in this at one LTV and then FS kindly increase the total debt without any discussion whatsoever. If this one defaults (50-50 if you ask me) then they take a bigger hit than if this renewal had not taken place?
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Post by james21 on Jun 6, 2018 10:46:19 GMT
This is the first time I have seen this comment in a loan
"will be guaranteed by FundingSecure in the event of a default"
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