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Post by batchoy on Nov 22, 2013 17:53:11 GMT
As an Englishman living in England I have been scratching my head over the consequences for me of a Yes vote in a referendum that I have no (current) right to vote in. Putting aside the question of my bank accounts, pensions and investments that are with institutions that are registered and, or based in Scotland, I have the issue of loan parts in personal and business loans with individuals and businesses that could potentially end up being foreigners and foreign businesses.
So the question is will these continue to be UK loans or are they will they be treated as Overseas loans with the all the consequential tax issues?
Looking wider what could the consequences be for P2x platforms that currently don't allows overseas lenders to invest and overseas borrowers to borrow when through events outside their control find themselves with a raft of overseas lenders and borrowers?
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Post by jevans4949 on Nov 22, 2013 18:35:59 GMT
That's Scottish Independence FAQ no. 9,387
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Post by batchoy on Nov 26, 2013 14:22:08 GMT
Well having read the relevant sections of the Scottish government's white paper 'Scotland's Future' I am disappointed though not surprised to find it to be nothing more than an SNP manifesto long on promises, short on facts, full of assumptions and of no legal standing whatsoever. This was billed as being a blue print for Scottish Independence, that answered all the questions, however I am none the wise with regard to my questions and if anything I am even more confused, on the one hand they state that there will be no change banking across the UK and Scotland, but on the other that they will be setting up their own regulatory authoritise.
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Post by oldnick on Dec 1, 2013 4:05:11 GMT
Given that the SNP expect to continue to use Sterling in a currency union perhaps there are parallels with the Euro? Are cross border deals in Euros between members of that currency union considered to be foreign investments?
Sharing the currency is considered by those in favour of Scottish independence as being a necessary solution to the political separation of such financially interdependent peoples.
But philosophically speaking , isn't sharing a joint bank account something to be considered when beginning a shared future rather than when ending it? ( I'm thinking of the pressure from some quarters in Europe to see currency union as only the precursor to political union.)
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 1, 2013 8:30:35 GMT
Sharing the currency is considered by those in favour of Scottish independence as being a necessary solution to the political separation of such financially interdependent peoples. But philosophically speaking , isn't sharing a joint bank account something to be considered when beginning a shared future rather than when ending it? Very good. Though when splitting up the partner with the least financial clout would like to continue to have recourse to the credit rating and credibility of lender of last resort status which has previously been there as a consequence of their former spouse's income and assets. Whether the former partner is going to feel quite so happy doing that esp. given they will have lost any last semblance of control over the way their ex conducts their financial affairs is I feel a reasonable question to ask.
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Post by batchoy on Dec 1, 2013 8:48:50 GMT
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Post by oldnick on Dec 1, 2013 9:13:04 GMT
Is that very different from most marriages? (Not mine of course )
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Post by oldnick on Dec 1, 2013 9:59:00 GMT
Getting slightly off the subject of the original question, I read an interesting article in The Economist recently which discussed the success Norway has had in investing North sea oil money. Cross party support for an agreement to invest all the proceeds abroad meant that the country continued to develope economically without the distortions such a large amount of wealth could have caused. Even now they only use 4% of the earnings on public spending. I'm not certain that, given a similar choice at the beginning of the oil boom, the scottish electorate would have been so far seeing. A bit of a moot point as most of that money has now been spent. What remains would probably be hoovered up buying votes to give the illusion that indepedence was working.
As with all investments; timing is everything.
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Post by batchoy on Dec 1, 2013 10:03:51 GMT
Rather than a divorce, its more akin to a fiscally naive Teenager wanting leaving home, with great plans for what they are going to different from their parents whilst still expecting to be underwritten by the bank of mum and dad .
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Post by oldnick on Dec 1, 2013 10:40:08 GMT
Rather than a divorce, its more akin to a fiscally naive Teenager wanting leaving home, with great plans for what they are going to different from their parents whilst still expecting to be underwritten by the bank of mum and dad . Sadly, given Scotland's more aged demographic it will be more like granny and grandad leaving home . Never mind, there are lots of young immigrants massing over the channel. Just got to teach them scottish and find them a hoose.
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Post by james on Dec 14, 2013 12:02:19 GMT
Since Scotland would become a different country you would need to file a tax return and report the Scottish interest income separately from your UK interest income, just as those who lend to other foreign countries do, with one entry required for each country involved. Any foreign interest income triggers the tax return requirement. Note that the country is the country of the interest payer so a Scottish citizen residing in England would not be considered Scottish for this purpose. The location of the lending platform is irrelevant and so is the currency, though HMRC's requirement is daily exchange rates if the amounts are not minor, for minor amounts their foreign team have said that they would accept any reasonable rate.
Now seems like a good time for those who do not want to complete a tax return to start to ask lending platforms for options not to lend to a potential foreign country - either Scotland or the rest of the UK depending on your own country of residence - and for ways to sell just Scottish or just non-Scottish loans. Asking about their plans to handle a potential Scottish currency and provide HMRC-compliant exchange rate based tax reporting would also be useful. With loans lasting years and arrangements potentially lasting decades it's already late in the game if you want to avoid the tax return requirement.
Also note that people are allowed to move between countries so even if you were to start out making no Scottish loans you'd probably end up with some and that tax return requirement unless there's a way to sell them, regardless of whether they have defaulted or not. But you can at least potentially make the amounts trivial by trying not to lend to Scottish borrowers as soon as possible.
Asking about it now might prompt the P2P lenders to try to get some transitional exemption from different country reporting requirement, though I don't see a way to avoid the exchange rate issue unless the pipe dream of having the same currency comes about. That seems unlikely because it's disadvantageous to the rest of the UK, which would pay the costs of stabilising the Scottish institutions and borrowing costs and budget policies, without receiving the revenue for taking on that risk and costs of the risk-reduced subsidised Scottish borrowing. So I assume we'll see a Scotty to replace the Pound at some point, if independence happens.
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Post by batchoy on Feb 13, 2014 13:42:53 GMT
So spokesmen from three main Westminster parties (thus covering all the bases for the next government) stand up say there will be no currency union if Scotland votes Yes to independence. The SNP treasury spokesman then goes on the radio and says that the statement was just a gimmick by the No campaign and a currency union will happen. I think I've just worked out why they wear kilts and no underwear.
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Post by oldnick on Feb 13, 2014 17:15:01 GMT
So spokesmen from three main Westminster parties (thus covering all the bases for the next government) stand up say there will be no currency union if Scotland votes Yes to independence. The SNP treasury spokesman then goes on the radio and says that the statement was just a few gimmick by the No campaign and a currency union will happen. I think I've just worked out why they wear kilts and no underwear. Are trying to imply that the whole thing is a bit of a b*lls up?
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Post by oldgrumpy on Feb 13, 2014 17:43:16 GMT
I recommend that Scotland's new currency should be called the Dram, to be divided into one hundred small parts known as Weeds (or Wee Drams).
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Post by bugs4me on Feb 13, 2014 17:46:27 GMT
I recommend that Scotland's new currency should be called the Dram, to be divided into one hundred small parts known as Weeds (or Wee Drams).
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