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Post by misotu on Feb 17, 2018 11:18:06 GMT
Yes ... I do get this. But the point is that it is that I am getting 5% on the funds I have placed in the account.
I wouldn't expect to receive 5% on £6000 unless I handed them £6000 for a year! In the first month, they've only got £500, in the second they've only got £1000, and so on.
What your calculation seems to be doing is assuming that you have £6000 to invest, but can only invest £500 per month and the uninvested funds are therefore sitting around earning nothing. If this were the case, then the interest rate would indeed be considerably lower than 5%. But this isn't right - since I typically fund all of our regular savers from income, I don't have the funds hanging around!
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Post by aju on Feb 17, 2018 13:12:18 GMT
Yes ... I do get this. But the point is that it is that I am getting 5% on the funds I have placed in the account.I wouldn't expect to receive 5% on £6000 unless I handed them £6000 for a year! In the first month, they've only got £500, in the second they've only got £1000, and so on. What your calculation seems to be doing is assuming that you have £6000 to invest, but can only invest £500 per month and the uninvested funds are therefore sitting around earning nothing. If this were the case, then the interest rate would indeed be considerably lower than 5%. But this isn't right - since I typically fund all of our regular savers from income, I don't have the funds hanging around! I see what you mean, I apologise for making wrong assumptions. I am more used to lending in lump sums so I assumed you had a lump sum and was funding it with it stored elsewhere - to be fair though I did think my idea of funding method from zopa would have worked. Most of our spare cash, I use that term very loosely with Mrs Aju spending more time in John Lewis these days, is funding relevant current account offers that have quite high interest rates on lump sums, They are limited funding so compounding does not work but they are full rates relative to most monthly term fixed savings accounts. Then I fund the Zopa's we both have with further spare cash. Our Zopa's a fully funded and relending - have been for quite a few years now - we never take any drawdown on these. I have shares investments too but more for the Divi's year on year than the net worth as such. So for us we are fully funded in lump sum terms as much as we can achieve in as many locations - I guess now that most of the "current account" savings having reduced their rates now to below what might be achieved by the savers like N/W regular saver I should consider options like the NW saver as its clearly better than Santander, Lloyds and BOS, at least. Discussing this with you has made that obvious as well. I have to wait a short while for the N/W Current account to be available again for us so I might open up a couple of regulars and send funds to them both by Standing Order from the worst of our current accounts (Santander 123 at the moment). Edit: So I extended my savings rates tables to include regular savers and it was clear that I could make some changes moving money from some of lower rated current accounts to get better rates. It turns out that Santander also do 5% RS for 123 customers and that beats the santander 123 ,lloyds and BOS rates so I immediately opened up 1 each for us. That's a start. Very grateful for our chats on this and it seems I was not getting my best rates possible either. Still have to wait for the N/W FlexDirect ones are available again. Will do a simple transfer of our HFX ones that to be honest I kept just in case that one went back up to £5 instead of the current £3. They have ready made DD's setup as well.
I have to be a bit more careful due to tax but Mrs Aju is way off the mark at the moment. I will of course see how that works for the next 12 months and hopefully have a better idea of the Zopa situation.
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Post by misotu on Feb 18, 2018 9:52:41 GMT
Hi aju, yes there are a few regular savers paying 5% at the moment. I have two with first direct as well, they let you put in £300 a month. Unfortunately most of mine are set to mature in the next three to six months, and after that it with be 1.5% at best until I need the funds for a house purchase. I use Ratesetter's rolling market a lot, but I'm maxed out in P2P in terms of my comfort level and can't look at anything now that commits the funds for a year or more. That's why I'm drawing down from Zopa.
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Post by aju on Feb 18, 2018 10:38:10 GMT
After my previous response I also realised that because I have a NW flex account - we use it primarily for the insurance - and can meet the criteria I can in fact get their reg saver as well so I'm looking into that one now. The Santander's were almost instant after applying. Unless things have changed the N/W may not quite so easy. Anyway our discussion here has definitely been a productive one for me so thanks for the discussion bit off topic here but who cares there are very few people on the zopa forum these days anyway.
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Post by benaj on Feb 18, 2018 19:19:08 GMT
The Halifax recently messed us around. It was sorted out in 24 hours and I received £50 to cover my phone bill and £100 for my trouble and inconvenience. What are the chances of an appropriate ex gratia from Zopa do you think? Ha ha ha. Banks are usually generous for complaints compensation. All the banks from the black horse pay phone bill and extras. Having said that, banks also offer cashback for switching current account. £125 or even more.
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Post by benaj on Feb 18, 2018 19:22:44 GMT
Yes ... I do get this. But the point is that it is that I am getting 5% on the funds I have placed in the account.I wouldn't expect to receive 5% on £6000 unless I handed them £6000 for a year! In the first month, they've only got £500, in the second they've only got £1000, and so on. What your calculation seems to be doing is assuming that you have £6000 to invest, but can only invest £500 per month and the uninvested funds are therefore sitting around earning nothing. If this were the case, then the interest rate would indeed be considerably lower than 5%. But this isn't right - since I typically fund all of our regular savers from income, I don't have the funds hanging around! There's a p2p platform offering 5% cashback for initial deposit on Topcashback. It offers self-select and auto-invest products from 3.99%, that's 8.99%+ for the 1st year
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Post by easylender on Feb 19, 2018 23:39:14 GMT
I've received the following completely unsatisfactory response from Zopa: "Thanks for your email, I've reviewed your account and can confirm the reason why your repayments keep switching to ISA Plus is because you can only have 1 re-lending preference at a time. As a result, by changing one of your product preferences, you automatically change all your other product preferences. This is the reason why your payments keep being transferred to your ISA Plus product."
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Post by aju on Feb 20, 2018 0:09:01 GMT
Yep that would be an unsatisfactory answer for me too, keep bashing away.
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Post by misotu on Feb 20, 2018 10:08:16 GMT
Mr M has received the following reply:
"I've reviewed your account and it looks like your re-lending preference was switched to Core when your ISA transfer begun.
I understand that this may of come as a surprise and apologise for any inconvenience caused. From reviewing your account I can see that you relending preference was switched on automatically on the 02/02/2018.
However in your email you stated that you saw funds in the queue of your Core product. From what I can see all the payments was disbursed into your Plus product. This happened because when you registered for your ISA wrap you selected either your ISA Core or ISA Plus as our re lending preference. Please advise if you selected Core or Plus.
Lastly, I'll speak to my senior colleague about your scenario as there may be a possibility of us selling loans which you disbursed while your transfer was taking place. I'll be able to contact you about this tomorrow. "
I could rant on about the transparent and pathetic attempt to blame Mr M for what is demonstrably their error. I could be justifiably irritated that "there may be a possibility" of putting this error right as, you know, a very special favour to us. I could make disparaging remarks concerning spelling and grammar.
But I think I'll simply say that my husband has never activated Plus, has never lent in Plus, wouldn't touch Plus with a bargepole and, most importantly, has not a single Plus loan in his loanbook.
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Post by misotu on Feb 20, 2018 18:29:31 GMT
Well well. A couple of pithy emails were sent by me and by Mr M. And now, finally, we have a proper result. Given that the apology is unusually fulsome for Zopa, I can only assume that the grown-ups have stepped into customer services. Big time. Although, sadly, the grammar is still execrable. Their response:
"Thanks for your email.
I apologise about my previous email, your funds were not moved to Core because you selected this as your funding preference.
I've been informed that your funds were moved due to an error which occurred while we was wrapping investors into our ISA's. You and a few others had funds moved out of your holding account into products you never requested.
We apologise about this and can assure you that we'll be getting this fixed. We'll be contact you and all other investors that were affected by this to apologise and advise how we plan to fix this problem. At the moment our plan is to buy all the loans which were incorrectly created."
Yes indeed. And I will be looking for both interest and compensation for my time, upset and inconvenience. I'm not sure that Zopa ever does this but hey guys! Welcome to the grown-up world and if you want to be a bank, start acting like one.
I am pretty much done with Zopa this time. Got here once before, got tempted back in, but serial incompetence is more than I can bear. This is the fourth major incident for me in less than a year. Not good enough. Or, as Zopa CS would say "We is moving our investment's out".
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Post by aju on Feb 20, 2018 18:42:59 GMT
I've received the following completely unsatisfactory response from Zopa: "Thanks for your email, I've reviewed your account and can confirm the reason why your repayments keep switching to ISA Plus is because you can only have 1 re-lending preference at a time. As a result, by changing one of your product preferences, you automatically change all your other product preferences. This is the reason why your payments keep being transferred to your ISA Plus product." I've had a chance to review what I have done in my ISA side (Nothing changed in my Invest Side). I can confirm that what they suggest happens is rubbish. I changed mine and MrsAju changed her Plus, which was changed to core relend by the SG transfer process, back to "relend to Plus" and none of the other settings have changed as suggested. Zopa's description of what they think happens may well be the reason all the items changed incorrectly and unnecessarily during SG transfer . I would lay odds that the design docs are not that up to scratch or they never actually read them probably resorting to just guessing what's acceptable. This for me is totally unacceptable. Mrs Aju is still waiting for a response from Zopa, miraculously she did not cc to FCA this time - I did ask her if she was feeling ok, she said she was busy doing the washing!. and let it ride this time. If they were talking about New Payments I can understand that as new payments can only be sent to one product at a time but that is totally different to repayments. Perhaps they are confused.
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Post by misotu on Feb 20, 2018 18:51:15 GMT
I'm sorry to say that Zopa are in chaos aju. Quite clearly, the problems experienced by easylender, you, me and countless others are down to either a) incompetence in the tech department or b) management pressure forcing stupidly early release of new processes.
Either way, the whole thing stinks.
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Post by aju on Feb 20, 2018 22:36:27 GMT
Well it seems Mrs Aju received an encouraging response from Zopa regarding incorrectly invested funds that should have gone to Plus but were misdirected to Core after her SG transfer was completed. I'll paraphrase the response rather than copy it word for word. Zopa has confirmed " funds were moved to Core due to an error which occurred while we were wrapping non-ISA funds into our ISAs. You and a few other investors had funds moved out of your holding account into products due to a system error." Zopa has apologised and assured her " that our technical team will be investigating and rectifying the issue. We'll be contacting you and all the other investors that were affected by this to apologise and advise how we plan to fix this problem". It seems their plan is " to buy back all the loans which were incorrectly created.". They went on to thank her for her comments and said " they have been noted" and will be " feeding them back to senior colleagues" It will be interesting to see what comes out of this. As I said earlier she had about £90 worth of misdirected funds before we realised the issue had occured. Edit: I've just re-read misotu 's email above and realised that its pretty much the same as that Mrs Aju received. Apologies for the repeat. But it does mean that anyone who has an issue may be well advised to report it so Zopa knows they are affected. I am quite sure that zopa knows who these are and as far as I can tell its probably everyone who was transferred so it may well be quite a few people were involved.
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Post by misotu on Feb 20, 2018 23:26:12 GMT
" ... it does mean that anyone who has an issue may be well advised to report it so Zopa knows they are affected. I am quite sure that zopa knows who these are and as far as I can tell its probably everyone who was transferred so it may well be quite a few people were involved."
Quite so. I think those people who do not register their complaint may well be quietly ignored. I note Zopa's amusing use of the word "few" to describe the numbers of people affected. Now it may well be that the vast majority of lenders are happily re-investing in Core. But nevertheless, I suspect their use of "few" is somewhat at variance with my understanding of the term.
Still, they have ISAs being transferred in, so selling those loans shouldn't present too many issues. In theory.
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Post by misotu on Feb 28, 2018 11:05:41 GMT
Well, it has been more than a week now and we've heard nothing further. Appreciate it may take a while to sell the loans, depending on how many people have been affected. But they've had more than enough time to set out their proposed solution, particularly with regard to compensation for lost interest and our time, trouble and inconvenience.
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