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Post by misotu on Mar 1, 2018 18:44:28 GMT
Had the following reply, which deftly ignores the question of interest and compensation. Polite, but not much help.
We are working on providing you and all others investors who suffered from this error, a refund for the loans which our system incorrectly purchased.
I'm unsure when this will be finalized but I can assure you that our senior team intend to have this issue resolved as soon as possible. Nevertheless, I'll be in touch with them today to see if they have any indication on time frames. If they do I'll be sure to pass this information onto you.
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Post by aju on Mar 2, 2018 0:19:07 GMT
Had the following reply, which deftly ignores the question of interest and compensation. Polite, but not much help. We are working on providing you and all others investors who suffered from this error, a refund for the loans which our system incorrectly purchased.
I'm unsure when this will be finalized but I can assure you that our senior team intend to have this issue resolved as soon as possible. Nevertheless, I'll be in touch with them today to see if they have any indication on time frames. If they do I'll be sure to pass this information onto you. I wonder what the FCA might say about this mistake - Like you Mrs Aju has complained to zopa and received a very similar answer. I poked her only yesterday to ask for an update but I'm not sure what she has done as yet. She usually CC's stuff to people like the FCA. Of course you can ask for Zopa to fix this and if its not resolved within 8 weeks you can then pass this on to one of the ombudsmen services. I think this may well be the FCA but don't quote me. One thing I do know is that zopa is regulated but as to the extent they are regulated I'm not sure. You could also try the Financial Ombudsman service perhaps. All of that aside it has been my experience that zopa is usually on the ball about this stuff and in the past I have had refunds etc when I wasn't even aware there was an issue. Most recently I received an odd payment that when I queried it it turned out that they had reimbursed me for a bad loan - that I still have I might add - by making a goodwill payment to cover the loss on it. Apparently the loan was a fraud of some kind so its probably never going to pay anything back but they just gave me the capital and some interest on it.
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Post by misotu on Mar 2, 2018 11:37:57 GMT
Oh, I think it's too early to involve the regulatory authorities! Zopa have accepted that it's their error, so I'm sure it will get sorted out. It just seems to be taking considerably longer than I expected. Some of those loans will be a month old soon, so if it drags on Zopa will then have the headache of dealing with the ones that miss the first payment. If for no other reason, I would have expected them to move more swiftly ...
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Post by aju on Mar 2, 2018 17:23:23 GMT
I think they are a bit busy on other things perhaps, they opened up to new investors recently those people will not be coming here perhaps for a while yet so will be bothering Zopa more directly I think. Then once the 4 month window ios up if they are looking at their investments closely - assuming they understand it all - they will be bothering people regarding defaults etc.
Zopa probably has someone investigating it as we speak - well perhaps not quite as its past 17:00 on a friday everyone will be up the pub - oops perhaps things have changed since I worked in the smoke!. What they might want to do is fix the issue in live system first and then find out who has/d the issue and figure an approach to resolve it.
In the normal scheme of things once you formerly make a complaint they usually have certain timescales they work to and if they don't resolve it with in 8 weeks then you can go to the ombudsman anyway without a final response letter. That's the way it works for other areas that are regulated I'm sure it similar for the FCA and its bodies.
Of course this area of FCA may not be the same as other areas of regulation but the basic idea is sound.
Oops I think I repeated myself in the third para - apologies the dementia is worse today must be the weather ;-)
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Post by misotu on Mar 4, 2018 21:23:56 GMT
Senility is a problem for all of us in retirement nowadays aju. To a greater or lesser degree. With me, it's mostly lost keys ...
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Post by aju on Mar 5, 2018 8:40:23 GMT
Senility is a problem for all of us in retirement nowadays aju. To a greater or lesser degree. With me, it's mostly lost keys ... Mrs aju is driven to distraction every time i press the button to lock the car and seconds later i forget and say to her "did i lock the car ?" Thankfully i can still operate excel.
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Post by easylender on Mar 7, 2018 20:24:40 GMT
After pressing my complaint about misdirected reinvestments Zopa have got back to me with an apology, a record of the dates when the switches happened, and an offer to rectify the situation. I rated this as a very good response. They also assure me that their tech team are working to ensure that it doesn’t happen again.
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Post by misotu on Mar 8, 2018 18:57:25 GMT
Well, another week has passed, and still no action or further clarification.
I wouldn't rate that as a very good response, to be honest. I will be writing again, shortly ...
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Post by aju on Mar 8, 2018 22:55:00 GMT
So I nudged mrs Aju to poke zopa to see what progress and they responded with a confused solution that if its not made clearer could potentially leave her with a worse situation. We both tried to understand what they proposed but in the end formulated a response for clarification. They do seem to want to be able solve it for her though.
Yet again though the situation seems to emanate from badly thought out processes and not really seeming to understand them - well at least a very confused understanding at best.
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Post by wyndstryke on Mar 8, 2018 23:37:19 GMT
Well, another week has passed, and still no action or further clarification. ... I had another reply from them today, they're going to sell off the oversized chunks, no 1% fee of course (well, I had a second reply too, but one was caused by me where I'd gone over my ISA limit thanks to forgetting about my old ISA).
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Post by aju on Mar 9, 2018 9:22:12 GMT
In mrs aju's case they also want to sell off the loans that were taken by core. Our issue though is their confusing method of setting the relend to plus whilst they fix this. If that is the case then she will be in a worse position as returned money at present is about 250 but only 118 is at fault. This could put her worse off
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Post by misotu on Mar 9, 2018 12:20:30 GMT
Well, I've just received my update too. They confirm again that the loans will be sold, but no timescale is indicated. The wording is extremely poor and unclear, so I've written back for clarification on two points:
FIRST POINT - ACCOUNT SETTINGS
You confirm that the technical error "meant that any funds held within your holding account, was swept into your default funding preference at the time and thus new loan contracts was created. "
What concerns us is that you say "Once your loan contracts have been repurchased, the funds will then be credited to your ISA holding account. ***Please be informed that there is the possibility that the funds held within your ISA holding account, will eventually be swept to your default funding preference***."
This would simply be a repeat of the original problem, and would obviously be unacceptable!
Both of our accounts are set for repayments to go to holding. Neither of our accounts is reinvesting. So there should be *no* possibility of funds being "swept" anywhere away from holding and obviously if this were to occur it would be the subject of a further complaint.
I check our accounts once a day, Monday to Saturday. More frequent checking is not possible, particularly since I have no idea when these sales will start or finish.
SECOND POINT - INTEREST ON FUNDS INCORRECTLY REINVESTED
You say "any interest which has been accumulated will remain with you".
This is not good enough, or clear enough. Obviously we must receive interest for *every day* the funds have been lent out, right up to the day of sale. We need a clear and unambiguous statement to this effect from Zopa.
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Ho hum.
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Post by aju on Mar 9, 2018 12:37:24 GMT
Well, I've just received my update too. They confirm again that the loans will be sold, but no timescale is indicated. The wording is extremely poor and unclear, so I've written back for clarification on two points: FIRST POINT - ACCOUNT SETTINGS You confirm that the technical error "meant that any funds held within your holding account, was swept into your default funding preference at the time and thus new loan contracts was created. " What concerns us is that you say "Once your loan contracts have been repurchased, the funds will then be credited to your ISA holding account. ***Please be informed that there is the possibility that the funds held within your ISA holding account, will eventually be swept to your default funding preference***." This would simply be a repeat of the original problem, and would obviously be unacceptable! Both of our accounts are set for repayments to go to holding. Neither of our accounts is reinvesting. So there should be *no* possibility of funds being "swept" anywhere away from holding and obviously if this were to occur it would be the subject of a further complaint. I check our accounts once a day, Monday to Saturday. More frequent checking is not possible, particularly since I have no idea when these sales will start or finish. SECOND POINT - INTEREST ON FUNDS INCORRECTLY REINVESTED You say "any interest which has been accumulated will remain with you". This is not good enough, or clear enough. Obviously we must receive interest for *every day* the funds have been lent out, right up to the day of sale. We need a clear and unambiguous statement to this effect from Zopa. ******** Ho hum. We are with the same hymn book and the tune is the same, pretty much my point entirely. I helped mrs Aju concoct a response and asked for necessary clarification. When I read hers my interpretation was that they were allowing her to keep the acrued interest on the core loans she got instead of the Plus ones. We didn't flag that core interest would have been less than Plus potentially depending at which stage the engine was lend low or high. To be honest I'm convinced that there is no one in Zopa who knows what they are really doing here which is plain considering the cock up in the switch change assumptions. They process clearly does not take account of multiple products. I'm guessing many people will be affected unless their settings matched those that Zopa imposed at the time and probably still do.
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Post by misotu on Mar 13, 2018 2:11:24 GMT
Well, I've had a response, and it's all good news: In regards to your first point: the funds will only be swept back into your preferred product if your repayments are set to a product. Considering that your repayments are currently set to your ISA holding account. All funds should be sent there.
In regards to your second point. Yes, I can confirm you will receive interest for everyday that the loans were invested. My senior colleague will be selling these loans within the next few days.Hoorah. Now all that remains is compensation for my time, inconvenience and general anguish.
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Post by aju on Mar 13, 2018 9:45:16 GMT
Thats interesting since Mrs aju has misdirected funds - plus went to core against her wishes.
In her deal with Zopa she has to ensure that "new lending is set to Plus" to make this work in her favour during the sale. I have to say though that Zopa's handling and confused explanations meant we are both unsure of this actually working correctly. Time will tell. I'm less than convinced they know what they are doing than ever in my 10+ years invested with them!
Hope all goes well for you though. Perhaps they will give you interest for every day. I'll believe that when i see it. Keep a very close eye on the interest lines in the statements though.
Edit: I've just re-read your first Zopa statement - its what they said to us initially. Its a bit worrying as Mrs Aju reinvestments are set to on. I (oops she) argued that she did not want to change the other settings as that would simply mean lending would be turned off and put her in a worse position which was unacceptable. They assured her that just having the new lend set to Plus would be ok and the other relend options would not be affected - that seems contrary to their statement I still feel.
Why are they struggling so much to explain what will happen. I created a logic table of the settings she would have and the criteria for success for no misunderstandings but even then they were not exactly "yes this is exacly what will happen" more intent on getting a go ahead option on the sale.
We also asked to be advised when this will happen but again they were non committal - I (She) asked for an email an email to tell us when it will happen. Not expecting one though!.
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