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Post by adspence on Mar 1, 2018 8:11:57 GMT
It isn't obvious from the FAQ what lenders are supposed to do. Sit tight I guess. Presumably we are not expected to fill in the form for creditors at this point. Tricky anyway given we've no way to access our accounts to figure out our positions - I've no idea how much cash I had outside of loads (or in the loans that have not drawn down yet).
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Post by IFISAcava on Mar 1, 2018 8:19:03 GMT
Helpful and reassuring email from ABLrate just now about their processes were administration to occur.
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Post by TitoPuente on Mar 1, 2018 8:22:50 GMT
We are not creditors to Collateral (UK) Limited.
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Post by peerlessperil on Mar 1, 2018 8:23:43 GMT
Let's summarise what we know so far: - Collateral is in administration, not insolvency (so far). Positive.
- Administrator states Collateral will continue to trade under his supervision, but no new loans and no secondary market. Positive.
- Collateral was executing withdrawals promptly prior to administration - I made a withdrawal on Feb 19th without issue. Positive
- The administrator's letter makes mention of future options - they may try to sell the platform or restructure? Positive.
- The loan book has been ring-fenced and will be run down. Investors receive capital & interest according to Collateral Ts&Cs. Positive
- Investors need do nothing about their loans that are drawn-down. Just sit tight.
- Collateral changed their Ts&Cs at start of Feb, explicitly stating client monies are not held in a client account. Very negative.
- The administrator has the email addresses of all investors on the platform which indicates a degree of database access or director cooperation. The administrators letter has been very prompt in the circumstances. Positive.
- The Administrator "Refresh" seems to have a name similar to who Collateral stated they had lined up as a fallback to run the loan book in case of platform failure. If so then we might hope they made preparations for database access and record duplication before the administration commenced. Possibly positive.
What we don't know: - The circumstances of the FCA interim approval lapsing. Whether & why the FCA refused to extend interim permission (or whether Collateral even applied), or whether the prior interim permission permitted Collateral to do what they were doing (if there was no client money account - which we don't know - then I have my doubts)
- Whether the administrator has verified the status of all loans (i.e. do they all exist or were there any fictitious borrowers where funds may have been diverted to build the platform?)
- Whether client money deposited before the Ts&Cs change is in a separate client account or not. I would not be optimistic. Money deposited after is probably in the unsecured creditor pot.
- The status of money to fund loans that have yet to drawdown.
- The status of interest accrued prior to administration and interest held on account for borrowers(Collateral takes interest up-front on some loans)
- Whether the administrator intends to revive the website in some form or not.
- The status of any recent cashflows (drawdowns, interest, repayments).
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Post by IFISAcava on Mar 1, 2018 8:24:18 GMT
We are not creditors to Collateral (UK) Limited. looks like we may be for e.g. cash on account, retained interest on account, non-drawndown loans - I suspect the administrator will be dealing with this as part of initial plans.
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Post by dualinvestor on Mar 1, 2018 8:27:22 GMT
so according to letter we just sit tight and get paid as the money is repaid? The question of loans where we have money that didn't get drawn down yet has to be answered and is one of the biggest. Also do we need to put a claim in for cash on the account? I mean presumably they have good records of that but seems to be up in the air if that is secured money or not. I hope we get access to our accounts so we can know exact figures and what is where precisely. The money is in trust not secures I.e. it belongs to your if it can be identified. Money held in Collateral's client account should equal the total of the cash part of the total of everyone's account. The loan part's as they are repaid will go into, probably a new, client's account and be paid to you. The three issues that could be of concern are 1 Collateral's records are good enough and available to the Administrators so as to identify client's money. 2 Borrowers repay their loans, traditionally in insolvency bad debts rise 3 Administrators costs,there will be few assets of Collateral's own so the fees will have to come from client's money.
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Post by dualinvestor on Mar 1, 2018 8:33:33 GMT
is Gordon Craig, the Administrator, the same guy that was running Collateral before? should the fact that he is still allowed to run the show be seen as a big positive ? No
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Post by adrianc on Mar 1, 2018 8:34:58 GMT
It looks like we have the least worst scenario (at the moment), and we may be cautiously optimistic about getting our investment back. <crosses fingers firmly> I liked Collateral... Oh, well. As far as the loan book goes, I hadn't got a note of what I'd got in what. Hmm. So let's hope that something comes out/up soon, so that we can all remind ourselves and have a think for ourselves about what and where our chances are likely to be. Ongoing dev loans with future tranches are, I'd have thought, likely to be fairly straightforward to refinance to other platforms one way or another - else those projects themselves may be at risk, which helps nobody. Portable-asset loans shouldn't be too hard, so long as they were "straight" to start with - but that's an assumption we have to make all round. Oh, for a chance to review my portfolio...
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Post by macq on Mar 1, 2018 8:36:02 GMT
not sure if its of use/interest or has been mentioned but there is a post on the MSE investment forum this morning about a couple of related companies mentioned in Collateral T&C & companies house -Collateral Agent ltd and Collateral security trustee ltd Not one of my platforms but good luck to everyone
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Post by jcm9000 on Mar 1, 2018 8:38:04 GMT
Helpful and reassuring email from ABLrate just now about their processes were administration to occur. Indeed, and much appreciated too as they are not exactly a giant either. I would like to see the FCA answer why they let an interim approval lapse, and if they knew about (they should have) why they let all this be handled like this - unless they are the ones that specifically said do not talk to anyone and can it now. We all know the Directors have enough explaining to do (which I am sure they won't now), but the FCA are not smelling of roses here.
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Post by debaura on Mar 1, 2018 8:46:50 GMT
As someone who has over £1000 on this platform do I have to write in a per the letter? I have no record of my investments
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Post by archie on Mar 1, 2018 8:50:17 GMT
As someone who has over £1000 on this platform do I have to write in a per the letter? I have no record of my investments I'd say No :-
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Post by richardthe4th on Mar 1, 2018 8:50:19 GMT
I've got an email which doesn't seem to have a letter with it??!!
Could someone oblige me by posting the contents?
Thanks..
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Post by jcm9000 on Mar 1, 2018 8:51:15 GMT
I've got an email which doesn't seem to have a letter with it??!! Could someone oblige me by posting the contents? Thanks.. You should see a link within the email that you click to access the letter which is on a dropbox style service. Possible your antivirus removed it though!
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Post by richardthe4th on Mar 1, 2018 8:56:22 GMT
I've got an email which doesn't seem to have a letter with it??!! Could someone oblige me by posting the contents? Thanks.. You should see a link within the email that you click to access the letter which is on a dropbox style service. Possible your antivirus removed it though! ( Thanks got it now)
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