averageguy
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Post by averageguy on Apr 12, 2018 13:31:37 GMT
I emailed Jessica, and have received a reply. I'll post it here, as it's quite relevant to the ongoing situation and not just inane waffle like 90% of the rest of this thread. ************************* In the circumstances, all investors are creditors, but we deem you to be secured creditors. So as and when the relevant assets of the loan book were dealt with, the intention was to then start corresponding with investors with regard their relevant claims to ensure that all figures were correct, it seemed unnecessary to do it at a time when things were uncertain and balances couldn’t be reconciled properly due to interest etc. However how this is dealt with after the 27 April 2018, I can’t be certain at this time and will depend on who deals with the Administration. Apologies for the minimal information but it is all I am allowed to provide at this time. Yours sincerely For Collateral (UK) Limited Jessica Hodgson ************************* I had a quick chat with her as well as the email and personally I have no doubting her integrity. As well as the above she reiterated that they wanted to put more in the letter..but the FCA wouldn’t let them and basically that letter is FCA written
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Post by synchrony on Apr 12, 2018 13:39:59 GMT
I also emailed Jessica (I didn't before as implied by the 'do I need to do anything? No' in the original letter in Feb. But now there seems to be doubt). I just emailed her my name and the amount I had invested when I last checked before the website went down.
I have to say - I wasn't impressed with the quality of the letter. It looked like no-one had bothered to proof-read it.
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Post by GeorgeT on Apr 12, 2018 13:40:05 GMT
Well there you have it a letter has landed and as some of us suspected we are indeed creditors and this is a complete U-turn on the first communication which said we were not creditors.
Some of us were unclear about the situation and contacted the current administrator to reserve our rights in this respect and it seems we are creditors after all.
I am in the middle of a big decorating job but my first thought is do we now have to write in again to claim ourselves as creditors because I have an idea the first letter said that if we were creditors owed more than £1,000 we should provide details even though we are unable to provide details because we do not have access to our accounts and therefore many of us like myself do not know exactly how much we have invested on the platform currently and in what loans etc.
I have to say this situation is starting to look rather shambolic and the sooner somebody is able to get the bull by the horns and develop a clear strategy that stands up to scrutiny the better.
On the plus side, the receipt of a further communication directly is much appreciated and well overdue in my opinion. As I think I may have posted before, it is sometimes good to receive a letter saying you can't be told anything rather than not be told anything. Such regular communications from the start of the process at the end of February may have reduced the size of this thread from 100+ pages to about 75 pages. When there is a vacuum of information and communication it creates a fertile environment for rumour and theory to take root and grow like Japanese Knotweed.
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copacetic
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Post by copacetic on Apr 12, 2018 13:42:57 GMT
What would worry me is if we are all considered secured creditors of Collateral would the administrators be considering the loan book as one big pot and make distributions evenly amongst all secured creditors after the whole loan book is liquidated? This could lead to us getting an average of the loan book realisations in proportion to the amount invested regardless of which loan we're in and to the distributions being ongoing till the last realisation.
Personally all the loans I had with collateral were a couple of small jewellery loans so luckily I'm not in as bad a situation as some people here. However I was hoping that these loans would be repaid (or defaulted and recovered) in fairly short order and the distributions made directly.
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Post by rxdav on Apr 12, 2018 13:45:46 GMT
I emailed Jessica, and have received a reply. I'll post it here, as it's quite relevant to the ongoing situation and not just inane waffle like 90% of the rest of this thread. ************************* In the circumstances, all investors are creditors, but we deem you to be secured creditors. So as and when the relevant assets of the loan book were dealt with, the intention was to then start corresponding with investors with regard their relevant claims to ensure that all figures were correct, it seemed unnecessary to do it at a time when things were uncertain and balances couldn’t be reconciled properly due to interest etc. However how this is dealt with after the 27 April 2018, I can’t be certain at this time and will depend on who deals with the Administration. Apologies for the minimal information but it is all I am allowed to provide at this time. Yours sincerely For Collateral (UK) Limited Jessica Hodgson ************************* I just received exactly the same reply.
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Post by dermot on Apr 12, 2018 13:46:44 GMT
In the letter we have all received, we are offered the option to email JH with the amount we have invested, which would be forwarded to the court and the FCA.
Since the administrators now believe that we are secured creditors (which is at odds with an earlier update), does this action have any value - or drawback?
If it seems sensible to reply in this way, I would propose to submit my last known platform value (which I have as from late February) plus an approximation of interest accrued, but not paid, as of today's date.
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Post by dermot on Apr 12, 2018 13:49:41 GMT
In addition to my previous post, I also have a screen capture of the loan parts I had put up for sale, but were unsold at that time; I wouldn't want those to get lost in the dust.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Apr 12, 2018 13:54:48 GMT
This is only my understanding and I hope someone more knowledgeable than me corrects this but.... Technically I believe the loan agreement is directly between us and the borrower and any loans drawn down and active should be fine. I am concerned about any interest or capital repayments that are made on these loans going forward. Are they just going to lumped in as cash we are owed or will they be sent straight to us as investors/lenders/creditors/whatever? As I understand it, dualinvestor was an insolvency practitioner and he should be able to clarify. Yes please. I'm worried now. How can I have confidence in RR, however pleasant Jessica is. She is under orders from Craig, and FCA it seems. dualinvestor Can you clarify please? Are my lent funds part of COL's assets, or not?
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Apr 12, 2018 13:54:52 GMT
Oh great, so now we ARE creditors. Flip flop. The waters have clearly been muddied by the FCA inspired court action which has imposed communication (amongst other) restrictions upon the administrator & the associated weeks of delay in giving lenders a clear indication of the current position regarding their holdings, repayments & future action. The latest 12/4/18 letter does appear to use rather sloppy language regarding creditors as opposed to lenders but that could well be resultant of the above court ruling. I do however believe that from an administration viewpoint it could be explained due to the structure of the collateral loanbook; All the loans are specific stand alone entities, that are then secured against a SPECIFIC ASSET, whether bling, vehicle, property whatever. Collateral (acting as agent for the lender) then takes in some cases physical possession or at least a charge against the title of that borrowers specific related asset & holds them in trust on behalf of lenders. So effectively becoming assets, albeit secured & directly relating to specific lenders/loanholders, on the Collateral balance sheet, so it could easily be inferred that lenders were indeed secured creditors on that basis. I would personally prefer the term lender as the contract was directly between lenders & borrowers, with Collateral being limited to the agent & enabling intermediary, albeit also acting as secure repository for the asset or charge secured against the title of that asset.
I remain confident that once the current legal disputes are resolved that most of the loanbook will be resolved in fairly short order & other than perhaps the large development loans, most lenders will see 100% returned within a few months. It will obviously be delayed further if the current administrator is replaced with another that needs to replicate all the work done so far.
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Post by iren on Apr 12, 2018 13:54:55 GMT
The situation is a farce.
We should not be general creditors of Collateral in relation to the value of the loans that we hold. We should be treated as creditors only to the extent that Collateral has misplaced or misappropriated any funds that should be held in the client account, either because those funds have not been lent or because payments of capital or interest have been received. And they can’t cross-collateralise the loan book. Any other course of action makes a mockery of the whole concept of peer to peer lending.
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Post by kulerucket on Apr 12, 2018 13:56:10 GMT
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Post by kulerucket on Apr 12, 2018 13:57:44 GMT
Can someone give an example of what they are stating in the emails they are sending. Thanks Dear Jessica, In this latest information you have stated that all creditors are investors. In your previous correspondence, you stated the following: "If you are a creditor of the Company owed more than £1,000, you will be required to submit a proof of the debt owed to you as at the date of my appointment before you can participate in the proceedings."
and "I have lent money via the Collateral platform do I need to do anything? No. Subject to the borrower continuing to make payments of interest and capital those will be returned to you in accordance with the Collateral terms and conditions."
So now, I am completely confused and worried that I have not submitted a claim as a creditor, because your previous information said that I do not need to act. What should I do?
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Post by 11025 on Apr 12, 2018 14:03:27 GMT
Look at it this way ,
However well meaning Jessica is it doesn't change the fact that If RR hadn't contested the FCA request to put a new administrator in we could be moving forward by now and not waiting for 27 April and whatever else after that ...
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Post by chris1200 on Apr 12, 2018 14:03:55 GMT
The situation is a farce. We should not be general creditors of Collateral in relation to the value of the loans that we hold. We should be treated as creditors only to the extent that Collateral has misplaced or misappropriated any funds that should be held in the client account, either because those funds have not been lent or because payments of capital or interest have been received. And they can’t cross-collateralise the loan book. Any other course of action makes a mockery of the whole concept of peer to peer lending. Quite. I am becoming happier and happier that the FCA is insisting on a change to the administrators as Refresh really don't seem to know what they're talking about.
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Post by ozboy on Apr 12, 2018 14:04:51 GMT
Keep phoning and/or writing to RR folks and running up our bill. Needlessly.
Why can't everyone just sit tight and wait for the 27th?
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