tx
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Post by tx on Mar 5, 2018 14:47:44 GMT
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Post by webwizard on Mar 5, 2018 14:51:41 GMT
This status started on 02/06/2014, so this is probably their first registration and may not relate to full authorisation.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 5, 2018 14:56:42 GMT
It will say authorised and the permissions will include lending via an electronic platform when they have full authorisation. Compare to MT entry. The actual Lendy record you want is the second on a search which says IP
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Post by nyneil on Mar 5, 2018 15:00:27 GMT
On email footers it does say " Lendy Ltd is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), number 654326", but that is exactly what it said last week and FCA is still showing it as Interim Permission.
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Post by brightspark on Mar 5, 2018 16:19:47 GMT
Well that's a teeny weeny bit better than no longer registered!
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Post by nick on Mar 5, 2018 18:27:59 GMT
On email footers it does say " Lendy Ltd is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), number 654326", but that is exactly what it said last week and FCA is still showing it as Interim Permission. A firm that has interim permission is authorised to undertake that regulated activity. As background, the interim permission regime was introduced as a transitional measure to allow firms that where previously undertaking P2P activity under a credit licence, a new regime that regulated both the credit and p2p platform aspects, the later had never been previously regulated. To prevent disruption to the market, P2P firms that had been operating prior to April 2014 were automatically given interim permission authorising them to operate their p2p activities whilst they applied to obtain full authorisation. Interim permission remains valid until such time that a firm withdraws its application for full permission or when a decision is given on its application for full permission. After April 2014, any new p2p firms had no choice but to apply for full authorisation before undertaking any p2p activity. The FCA register currently shows that LY has the necessary interim permissions to undertake its regulated P2P activities. The timeline to obtaining full permission is largely dictated by the FCA. Firms that had interim permissions were allotted time slots that the FCA had hoped to review, process and ultimately authorise firms. The timing of these slots has slipped considerably (2+ years) as the FCA has taken a lot longer to firm up its views on certain aspects of the sector. The big distinction between LY's position and COL's previous position, is that it appears that COL did not have the all the required interim permissions for the regulated activity it was undertaking. In fact, there is a big question mark over whether it had any valid interim permission at any time. The entity that has gone into administration is Collateral (UK) Limited which was only incorporated in November 2014, ie it could never have been entitled to operate under an interim permission. Whilst other related entities have been mentioned that did have certain regulatory permissions (none of them relating to operating a p2p platform), such permissions are specific to the legal entity and are not transferable so it remains a mystery on why they thought they had the necessary permissions to operate......
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Post by peterpea on Mar 9, 2018 19:33:55 GMT
FCA authorisation is meaningless. They have no desire to protect the consumer. Lendy continually breaks FCA guidelines and the FCA does nothing. I have come to the conclusion that the FCA are there for companies to look safe while they rip people off. Possibly to help the economy along while you lose your cash.
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Post by mary on Mar 9, 2018 19:47:22 GMT
On email footers it does say " Lendy Ltd is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), number 654326", but that is exactly what it said last week and FCA is still showing it as Interim Permission. The big distinction between LY's position and COL's previous position, is that it appears that COL did not have the all the required interim permissions for the regulated activity it was undertaking. In fact, there is a big question mark over whether it had any valid interim permission at any time. The entity that has gone into administration is Collateral (UK) Limited which was only incorporated in November 2014, ie it could never have been entitled to operate under an interim permission. Whilst other related entities have been mentioned that did have certain regulatory permissions (none of them relating to operating a p2p platform), such permissions are specific to the legal entity and are not transferable so it remains a mystery on why they thought they had the necessary permissions to operate...... And why, it appears, it took the FCA so long to notice (which I assume they finally did) and act.
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Post by dualinvestor on Mar 10, 2018 19:14:59 GMT
I think there is a common misconception of the FCA's role. It exists to set rules and regulations for Financial Services companies decide whether the people who run them are fit and proper (eg not criminal) and make sure they keep to those rules.
They have no role in the ìnvestment decisions of regulated firms and are not responsible for your decision to invest with them.
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Post by peterpea on Mar 11, 2018 10:04:42 GMT
I think there is a common misconception of the FCA's role. It exists to set rules and regulations for Financial Services companies decide whether the people who run them are fit and proper (eg not criminal) and make sure they keep to those rules. They have no role in the ìnvestment decisions of regulated firms and are not responsible for your decision to invest with them. The FCA are hopeless. They are funded, I believe, by the companies they authorise. They do not represent the consumer but the companies. I have reported Lendy twice now, to no avail. The ombudsman service , so far , has been appalling. Lendy break the rules and the FCA / ombudsman service turn a blind eye.
FCA authorisation is merely a badge to place on their websites, it offers no protection for the consumer. Do not be fooled, as I was. The protection is a fantasy.
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Post by dualinvestor on Mar 11, 2018 11:33:01 GMT
I think there is a common misconception of the FCA's role. It exists to set rules and regulations for Financial Services companies decide whether the people who run them are fit and proper (eg not criminal) and make sure they keep to those rules. They have no role in the ìnvestment decisions of regulated firms and are not responsible for your decision to invest with them. The FCA are hopeless. They are funded, I believe, by the companies they authorise. They do not represent the consumer but the companies. I have reported Lendy twice now, to no avail. The ombudsman service , so far , has been appalling. Lendy break the rules and the FCA / ombudsman service turn a blind eye.
FCA authorisation is merely a badge to place on their websites, it offers no protection for the consumer. Do not be fooled, as I was. The protection is a fantasy. But did Lendy operate as anything other than a P2P platform? Did it mistreat client money? Did it not warn you that your money was at risk? What specifically was your complaint ? The FCA and the FOS do not exist to protect you from your own folly (relying on bad valuations, Lendy's credit assessment of poor borrowers, lending short term to long term borrowers etc) but to make sure they keep within the rules. If you don't chase 12% returns you don't get the risk don't expect others to protect you from yourself.
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 11, 2018 12:24:29 GMT
peterpea , firstly and most importantly getting (and remaining) overly stressed by any situation isn't worth it on health grounds. The words that dualinvestor has written this morning are pretty fair IMO, and recent events at Collateral show the FCA does act when they become aware that rules are being broken. It is possible that criminal charges are being considered in that case. The "complaint" that could be levelled at the FCA is that they have failed to recognise that the risks of p2p are too complex to be understood by a proportion of retail lenders to whom p2p is primarily being aimed. The solution is either much starker warnings (you WILL lose capital if this loan defaults, cf smoking kills) or a ban on the promotion of self-select p2p loans to retail lenders. A RICS valuation is NOT intended to represent what the asset might achieve in a distressed sale (aka firesale) situation. It is up to you to read the valuation report, do other research and take a realistic view of what an asset may achieve as a speculative auction purchase. Expecting much more than 50% of the open market valuation is a gamble, it could be significantly less as is the case on this loan. Lending at 70% LTV when a distressed sale value might be 50% LTV or less is inevitably going to lead to capital losses, a risk for which you have been paid for taking by accepting a 12% pa notional yield. The way I evaluate loans is to split the risk categories into those that represent risk of default and those that represent risk of loss on default. I try to avoid lending on loans with a medium/high risk of loss on default unless the risk of default is genuinely close to zero. Disclosure: I've never been in this loan or any of the other loans to this borrower that are on FS.
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Post by peterpea on Mar 11, 2018 15:20:25 GMT
To answer the above statements...........
This is exactly the point, no I wasn`t told about the risks etc when I made my loans. And, yes Lendy are breaking the rules as we speak but the FCA seemingly do nothing about it. That is their role, to ensure that the rules are adhered to. Any foolish behaviour on my part in the result of FCA authorisation leading me to believe that Lendy are bound by the rules, which turns out to be nonsense.
And, administrator. The rics valuation DID say that the loan was covered in the event of a distressed sale, as I recall. The FCA may well have enforced rules here and there, but I can tell you they do not with Lendy, as yet.
P.s. There is no obligation to view the valuation etc. Many people are deliberately misled but the ombudsman holds their hands to their ears.
I`m not stressed (too much) about the loan. I have been particularly stressed by the ombudsman investigator, who is unbelievably inept.
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Post by dualinvestor on Mar 11, 2018 15:56:47 GMT
To answer the above statements........... This is exactly the point, no I wasn`t told about the risks etc when I made my loans. And, yes Lendy are breaking the rules as we speak but the FCA seemingly do nothing about it. That is their role, to ensure that the rules are adhered to. Any foolish behaviour on my part in the result of FCA authorisation leading me to believe that Lendy are bound by the rules, which turns out to be nonsense. And, administrator. The rics valuation DID say that the loan was covered in the event of a distressed sale, as I recall. The FCA may well have enforced rules here and there, but I can tell you they do not with Lendy, as yet. P.s. There is no obligation to view the valuation etc. Many people are deliberately misled but the ombudsman holds their hands to their ears. I`m not stressed (too much) about the loan. I have been particularly stressed by the ombudsman investigator, who is unbelievably inept. So you invested without doing research or rea ding the website then? All of the relevant statements and warnings are there and always have been. Everyone knows I am not a supporter of Lendy but by being blinded by the high returns does not mean the FCA or FOS should protect you from your own folly. EDIT Which particular FCA rules do you allege Lendy have broken? (BTW writing in bright colours does not make your comments more,or less, true but it does tend to indicate a certain paranoia akin to the "green ball point pen"brigade)
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Post by peterpea on Mar 11, 2018 16:10:44 GMT
To answer the above statements........... This is exactly the point, no I wasn`t told about the risks etc when I made my loans. And, yes Lendy are breaking the rules as we speak but the FCA seemingly do nothing about it. That is their role, to ensure that the rules are adhered to. Any foolish behaviour on my part in the result of FCA authorisation leading me to believe that Lendy are bound by the rules, which turns out to be nonsense. And, administrator. The rics valuation DID say that the loan was covered in the event of a distressed sale, as I recall. The FCA may well have enforced rules here and there, but I can tell you they do not with Lendy, as yet. P.s. There is no obligation to view the valuation etc. Many people are deliberately misled but the ombudsman holds their hands to their ears. I`m not stressed (too much) about the loan. I have been particularly stressed by the ombudsman investigator, who is unbelievably inept. So you invested without doing research or rea ding the website then? All of the relevant statements and warnings are there and always have been. Everyone knows I am not a supporter of Lendy but by being blinded by the high returns does not mean the FCA or FOS should protect you from your own folly. Yes I researched but was lied to.
The warning statements were not always there, not in the beginning. Besides, investments were made based on the TRUE information given, this turned out to be lies.
Being blinded is not the same as accepting what was supposed to be the truth. FCA rules say that information given has to be the truth, fair, clear etc. It was not.
The FCA are certainly responsible for my own folly ,as you put it, because they authorised them to conduct their business in the proper manner and they did not. Then the FCA and FOS refuses to enforce the rules and aid the return of my money that I was cheated out of.
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