oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Mar 9, 2018 12:51:02 GMT
With AC's and other platforms' very suspect performance on wind turbine loans recently, AC has decided to drop the already moderate 8% rate on this one to 5·6%. I suppose AC has so much cash sloshing around in QAA that they can afford to do that, but I will definitely not be taking on all the risk for a paltry 5·6%. Far too low for an apparently unchanged risk. Maybe they are just testing us to find out how low they can go and get away with it. One of the attractions of P2P was that if we had to take a default on any particular loan, the rates of interest on other loans was such that we could make up all or some of the incurred losses in a reasonable period of time. With rates at a 5%+ level (how long before they are sub 5%? ) this is no longer the case. Platforms, (with the implication that the risks on these loans are substantially less) clearly see ths as a good strategy - but for whom? ed Apologies for the moaning post - I ran out of bananas this morning.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Mar 9, 2018 13:20:43 GMT
This is simply a reflection of the wider industry; SIZE REALLY DOES MATTER, almost as much as growth - any platform that wants to succeed (& eventually go for an IPO or PE buyout in which the management & shareholders will be richly rewarded) needs to drive all out for expansion. How is this achieved as quickly as possible? Drop rates for borrowers to attract as many as possible & fund as much as possible, preferably from funds under your own control (as manual lenders are awfully picky wanting to do DD & have sensible VR's - better cutting them out of the picture altogether) so big players like FC/AC simply bypass manual lenders with black box auto-lend solutions.
This has been obvious at AC for a couple of years & I approve & think it will be very lucrative hence I am running off my legacy portfolio of lending & have acquired a decent shareholding via Seedrs which is currently tradeable at more than double the cost price but over the next few years I expect that value to increase further. Would I lend at these rates? Not likely but is there enough dumb auto lending to fund these loans definitely. I still remember the "We price for risk NOT liquidity" days!
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Post by chris on Mar 9, 2018 13:55:38 GMT
Not familiar with this particular loan but isn't the turbine already built thus lowering the risk?
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baz657
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Post by baz657 on Mar 9, 2018 19:17:47 GMT
Already built and generating well above predictions. From what I quickly read it's already making 140k net a year so seems a good bet to me... unless the wind stops dead.
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Post by dave2 on Mar 9, 2018 23:27:37 GMT
Does this mean that 410 is being repaid early and refinanced by AC at a lower rate?
If so, surely investors in 410 should have at least been notified in advance, rather than sneaking it through as an aside to a "new loan".
The only updates recorded against the loan tell us how well our investment is doing, and there are still 23 months remaining.
Very sloppy handling by AC on this one.
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