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Post by skint4achange on Mar 23, 2018 12:56:14 GMT
Can I ask the good people who invest with Lendy how they feel about the loss of interest while selling loan parts on the SM.
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Post by skint4achange on Mar 23, 2018 12:59:15 GMT
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Mar 23, 2018 13:12:10 GMT
I can't believe you think poking them with a poll, as opposed to a pole will work. I did however commit to involvement and have voted accordingly.
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Post by skint4achange on Mar 23, 2018 13:13:50 GMT
I can't believe you think poking them with a poll, as opposed to a pole will work. I did however commit to involvement and have voted accordingly. I think looking at the fact that someone has already voted that Lendy are correct in what they do, we can say with some certainty that either Paul64 or Lendy Support have seen it already!
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Mar 23, 2018 13:52:10 GMT
I can't believe you think poking them with a poll, as opposed to a pole will work. I did however commit to involvement and have voted accordingly. I think looking at the fact that someone has already voted that Lendy are correct in what they do, we can say with some certainty that either Paul64 or Lendy Support have seen it already! Has to be more likely that somebody (as they are quite entitled to) feels it is justified. I mean just imagine the embarrassment if an administrator was to check and see that a Lendy representative had voted in a poll about itself, and then make it public. The shame would be.............. well shameful.
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Post by skint4achange on Mar 23, 2018 14:02:29 GMT
Can I ask the good people who invest with Lendy how they feel about the loss of interest while selling loan parts on the SM. I'm totally gutted... ...there isn't a tick box 'Get rid of the SM facility altogether.' I can't even get rid of my incestuous reference let alone add another tick box!
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Post by skint4achange on Mar 23, 2018 14:04:41 GMT
I don't think I can vote. I think Lendy should pay interest, but I also think a fee (say 1%) should be levied to cover costs. (And discourage churning / flipping.) Only a handful of votes, so rip it up and start again? (Also a chance to rectify some unfortunate spelling! ) I will see if one of the moderators can adjust this one rather than starting again!
Can you do what has been highlighted star dust ? Add 2 more options, "Scrap SM altogether" and "Pay interest but at a 1% charge"
Also, please replace any and all references of "Incest" to "Invest"!
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Post by dan1 on Mar 23, 2018 14:12:07 GMT
I don't think I can vote. I think Lendy should pay interest, but I also think a fee (say 1%) should be levied to cover costs. (And discourage churning / flipping.) Only a handful of votes, so rip it up and start again? (Also a chance to rectify some unfortunate spelling! ) I will see if one of the moderators can adjust this one rather than starting again!
Can you do what has been highlighted star dust ? Add 2 more options, "Scrap SM altogether" and "Pay interest but at a 1% charge"
Also, please replace any and all references of "Incest" to "Invest"!
It's not possible to edit polls as jonah found out. I believe your only option is to start again.
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Post by elliotn on Mar 23, 2018 14:14:22 GMT
Can I ask the good people who invest with Lendy how they feel about the loss of interest while selling loan parts on the SM. Well covered here & Coll. Offers a mix, if you sell in demand loans you can have a free sale (as I have today). Other platforms offer a fixed price ie 1% cap on TC, 1/2% on PL etc so you know where you stand and may win on some/lose on others. Of course, MT lets you list and earn interest so everyone joins the queue for a fee free position. I like a mix of options and execute accordingly - abl is curently my smallest, main platform despite being a favourite simply by offering a liquid market.
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Post by withnell on Mar 23, 2018 14:58:19 GMT
I'm happy with a fee to cover costs, however this needs to be relative to the actual cost - if I sell a 1k loan part, the cost to Lendy of an additional deposit/withdrawal isn't £10. There is also a built-in benefit to the platform in general of a secondary market - I for one would be less happy to invest if there was no potential for exit if my circumstances changed
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Post by ptr120 on Mar 23, 2018 16:42:04 GMT
IIRC interest from loans on the SM goes in to the provision fund - not to Lendy
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Post by skint4achange on Mar 23, 2018 17:09:50 GMT
IIRC interest from loans on the SM goes in to the provision fund - not to Lendy If that were the case, I don't think this post would ever have been put on here in the first place.
I like the way that this has caused a bit of controversy though!
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Post by sl75 on Mar 23, 2018 17:17:04 GMT
Personally I'm of the "better the devil you know..." opinion.
I've got several loan parts that I would have put in the sales queue if there were no penalty for doing so, and I imagine that many of the other people who are voting for no loss of interest would also do so.
The overall result would be queues that are many times longer than we can currently see - millions of pounds of loan parts for sale would not seem unlikely for the large multi-tranche DFLs that already have 6 figure sums for sale despite the loss of interest for doing so... and anyone who was not already in the sale queue might as well forget ever being able to sell their loan part.
Such long queues would likely lead to even stronger demands for being able to sell at a discount, which similarly would end up meaning "can't sell unless you offer a very large discount", leading to losses far greater than the lost interest we currently see when waiting for a loan part to sell... only difference being that the discount gets transferred to the buyer rather than to Lendy.
As I've suggested before, however, there is a smart solution that could work to improve the speed at which the longest queues move - either pass the withheld interest onto the buyer of the loan part or create a "cashback" scheme for buyers of secondary loan parts, funded by the withheld interest (but possibly at a lower rate, e.g. 0.02% per day, with lendy retaining the rest). Such cashback would need to be obviously visible (e.g. "up to x.xx% cashback" on main listing, "estimated cashback eligibility" on the loan buying page, and "confirmed cashback eligibility" on the confirmation screen). This retains the current penalty for sellers (avoiding the likely problem of queues becoming even longer) whilst also providing a positive incentive for buyers to help clear queues that have become "too slow".
It also provides a mechanism that can be built onto to provide the equivalent effect of variable pricing, but without so much of the potential for exploitation... but that's a different subject.
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Post by skint4achange on Mar 23, 2018 17:57:14 GMT
I can see some mileage to what you have said about the new owner taking some of the lost interest, but I can also see a potential issue with that.
Investors would not invest in new tranches when there is loan parts available on the SM. Could cause issues getting new funds into loans?
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Post by izigor on Mar 23, 2018 18:24:53 GMT
If the SM wasn't so congested, this wouldn't have been an issue. I don't mind losing 1-5 days interest on a loan for sale. But losing 30 days or more when the 'cost' for the SM isn't significantly different between 5 days and 30 days means this is daylight robbery. If it's going on the PF rather than Lendy's pocket, then it is slightly more paletable otherwise it drives the interest of the people running Lendy to milk it at our (lenders') detriment. Look at the SM situation now to see how much they are gaining from it.
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