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Post by mrmister on Mar 28, 2018 8:25:25 GMT
Some have expressed an interest in this list showing weekly total number of whole and partial loan defaults since 2016. Excel file: Weekly-defaulted-loans.xlsx (15.24 KB)
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Post by vaelin on Mar 28, 2018 12:52:26 GMT
It would be good if these were expressed as a percentage. The rate of loan acceptance has risen so quickly at FC that absolute values lose a lot of their meaning.
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Post by ashtondav on Mar 28, 2018 13:09:08 GMT
Regardless of volume, which is soaring, defaults appear to be pretty stable until last summer, since when they have soared - probably as a result of stressed biusinesses and an enormous jump in loan origination.
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Post by cobi on Mar 28, 2018 13:13:24 GMT
Percentage of loans defaulted by month of acceptance from 2015
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Post by cobi on Mar 28, 2018 13:15:13 GMT
Status of loans by month of acceptance
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Post by cobi on Mar 28, 2018 13:28:02 GMT
Status of loans %age by month of acceptance
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Post by Ace on Mar 28, 2018 23:40:21 GMT
Thanks Cobi for some very informative graphs. I gather that they are all based on the number of loans, which is very interesting information, but can be misleading, as it looks at first glance as though long term capital losses are around the 10% mark. It would also be interesting to see the percentages based on values. E.g. if an amotizing loan defaults in its last month only a very small fraction off the capital is lost, and even that may be later recovered.
I'd like to point out that I'm not deriding what you've produced in any way. I find them very useful. My understanding is that they tend to belie the impression that I've picked up from various comments that the percentage of defaults has recently dramatically worsened. Perhaps the reason for this is that, even for well diversified portfolios, some investors will be unlucky. And, that these people are more likely to comment. Obviously a good diversification will reduce the probability of being unlucky, but can't eliminate it. I realize that, for the unlucky few, the poor results are real. However, if FC's stats are to be believed, no-one with a diversified portfolio has 'yet' lost money, and the vast majority have made a decent return. No doubt a few will even have been exceptionally lucky!
I wonder why FC don't produce these informative graphs on their stats pages?
Thanks again👍
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Post by cobi on Mar 29, 2018 8:39:10 GMT
Thanks Cobi for some very informative graphs. I gather that they are all based on the number of loans, which is very interesting information, but can be misleading, as it looks at first glance as though long term capital losses are around the 10% mark. It would also be interesting to see the percentages based on values. E.g. if an amotizing loan defaults in its last month only a very small fraction off the capital is lost, and even that may be later recovered. I'd like to point out that I'm not deriding what you've produced in any way. I find them very useful. My understanding is that they tend to belie the impression that I've picked up from various comments that the percentage of defaults has recently dramatically worsened. Perhaps the reason for this is that, even for well diversified portfolios, some investors will be unlucky. And, that these people are more likely to comment. Obviously a good diversification will reduce the probability of being unlucky, but can't eliminate it. I realize that, for the unlucky few, the poor results are real. However, if FC's stats are to be believed, no-one with a diversified portfolio has 'yet' lost money, and the vast majority have made a decent return. No doubt a few will even have been exceptionally lucky! I wonder why FC don't produce these informative graphs on their stats pages? Thanks again👍 As you've pointed out these are not to be used to try and work out potential capital losses. They do seem to show that at the moment recent loans do not show any dramatic change in default rates. I have tried to get the information you were interested in by weighting the default by how much capital was lost (also subtracting recoveries from lost capital).
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Post by ashtondav on Mar 29, 2018 10:23:54 GMT
...I wonder why FC don't produce these informative graphs on their stats pages? Thanks again👍 ...Because what goes down, or remains stable can sometimes INCREASE! I agree that these graphs are very interesting. Especially given the comments of the "unlucky posters" (of which I am one so far!).
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Post by Ace on Mar 29, 2018 16:56:16 GMT
Thanks for the new graph Codi. Have to say I'm surprised that such a large percentage of capital was lost from the defaulting loans!
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 29, 2018 20:40:59 GMT
But you won't know how much capital was actually lost for 5 or more years after the default event ..
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