oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 25, 2013 14:57:22 GMT
Fear not batchoy! We've had our pre-bids reduced so that you can get in the door.
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Post by yorkshireman on Nov 25, 2013 15:07:54 GMT
The Gold Club will drive smaller investors away.
I for one am not prepared to transfer large, by my standards, sums of money into AC only to find that I cannot bid thereby effectively loaning my hard earned to AC for no return.
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Post by jackpease on Nov 25, 2013 15:25:06 GMT
>>The Gold Club will drive smaller investors away.
I agree. It needs some urgent thinking - it may have been useful when Assetz was in early startup mode but now it is going to cause difficulties and bad feeling which can only get worse
Suggest capping maximum to 50% of loan for prebidders and email warnings that new loan is listed (i completely missed yesterday's loan);
I understand desire to reward large investors but to a certain extent they already have an advantage against small investors on account of their size and presumably higher appetite for risk - giving them a head start amplifies their advantage.
Big investors can presumably go elsewhere just as quickly as they come and if small investors have got fed up, Assetz itself becomes less stable
Jack
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Post by batchoy on Nov 25, 2013 15:25:22 GMT
Fear not batchoy! We've had our pre-bids reduced so that you can get in the door. Your's might have oldgrumpy but there are still substantial pre-bids being placed - now 75% funded and 35 minutes before I get a look in.
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andy2001
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Post by andy2001 on Nov 25, 2013 15:39:26 GMT
Interesting that the latest loan is almost filled before the official start, but the pub loan of the same size had to be pulled.
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oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 25, 2013 15:42:16 GMT
Fear not batchoy! We've had our pre-bids reduced so that you can get in the door. Your's might have oldgrumpy but there are still substantial pre-bids being placed - now 75% funded and 35 minutes before I get a look in. Yes - 84%+ now. I'm one of the minimum bid wallers - £1400. This is being filled up by the big boys - 5 or 6 figure lumps I think serious rejigging of how much is done before bids open will be done before the next set of bridging loans.
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Post by batchoy on Nov 25, 2013 15:55:49 GMT
Today's loans have shown up the iniquity of AC's secret privilege system that gives pre-bidding rights to some lenders. Having been already to withdraw from when they mislaid my initial funds transfer, I had started to come round and was going to use this weeks bridging loans as the starting point for a much larger investment, however with no disclosure of the of this secret group until now when it has become too obvious to hide, I am starting to wonder what else AC are hiding and I find myself once seriously reconsidering my investment plans again.
Update: so the unwashed got to bid on just 15% of the loan which was then fulfilled within 3 minutes of it going live, I just managed to my bids in by sitting clicking the browser refresh in the run up to 16:00.
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andy2001
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Post by andy2001 on Nov 25, 2013 16:08:13 GMT
Well I got my small bids on both todays loans. Last loan lasting 3mins. I have gold club membership, but my bids where a bit small for pre registration.
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Post by pikestaff on Nov 25, 2013 16:10:03 GMT
Not sure it's ever been much of a secret but I agree it should be better flagged and they should leave more for the smaller lenders. Of course, I may change my mind when I get over the magic £10K if they haven't moved the goalposts by then.
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Post by unmadem on Nov 25, 2013 16:20:50 GMT
I can understand the desire to get sufficient interest in a loan in order for it to be successful but the balance is definitely wrong here especially as the loans were all fully underwritten.
As I was at home today I did get some of the loan in the 3 minutes it was open. However I'd imagine there are going to be a lot of people who were at work who will be quite annoyed. The impression will be that the great unwashed will only get a chance of less attractive loans, which I am sure isn't the impression Assetz would wish.
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jo
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Post by jo on Nov 25, 2013 16:21:30 GMT
Bit like having a first class air ticket (you get a drink before takeoff).
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Post by jhma on Nov 25, 2013 16:22:24 GMT
Not sure I am ever going to get above the 10K hurdle given that most of the apparently attractive deals are gone almost before they arrive, while those that remain may be 'not quite so attractive'
Especially as requested email confirming start of auction didn't arrive till 20 minutes later, by which time it had filled. Second auction of today went too quick for me!
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Post by merlin on Nov 25, 2013 16:24:45 GMT
As this thread has moved on (with speed) perhaps a few of the posters have not read Chris' comments (Page 1) on why Assetz needed to fill this loan quick. Many of the big pre-bids from the Gold Club in the early stages were very large with if I remember correctly two of well over £100k and many in five figures. It therefore figures that even if there was no prebidding this one would have filled in minutes rather than hours. Maybe, just maybe other similar auctions will fill more slowly and everyone will get a chance. It is also worth bearing in mind that there probably is a large amount of money waiting to be spent in Assets just as there was in FC a few weeks back.
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Post by unmadem on Nov 25, 2013 16:25:29 GMT
Bit like having a first class air ticket (you get a drink before takeoff). Yeah but you don't normally get to close down all the pubs so others can't also have a drink
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Post by duck on Nov 25, 2013 16:27:32 GMT
Hey Ho missed them both, Gold Club or not (I'm a 'member') when you work in an environment where there is no Net access and no smart phones allowed .......
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