michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Apr 19, 2018 16:19:59 GMT
I guess we all must have received the email by now?
We have to decide between :
A - Restricted (a retail customer)
B- High Net Worth (a more sophisticated investor)
C- Sophisticated investor (typically independently certified)
D - Self-certified sophisticated (made personal declaration)
If we don't put A, will our cash still reside in a segregated client account? How much do you need to have invested or available to invest to meet B? What kind of products are we going to be offered?
They are some of the initial questions I have.
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Post by brokenbiscuits on Apr 19, 2018 16:33:36 GMT
Is that truly the definition of high net worth? More sophisticated? The more I have in the bank the more knowledgeable I become! Perhaps this is why when I spend my money on (and consume) a lot of booze i do silly things?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 19, 2018 16:38:44 GMT
Here's the official FCA COBS definitions
A certified restricted investor is an individual who has signed, within the period of twelve months ending with the day on which the communication is made, a statement in the following terms:
“RESTRICTED INVESTOR STATEMENT
I make this statement so that I can receive promotional communications relating to non-readily realisable securities as a restricted investor. I declare that I qualify as a restricted investor because:
(a)
in the twelve months preceding the date below, I have not invested more than 10% of my net assets in non-readily realisable securities; and
(b)
I undertake that in the twelve months following the date below, I will not invest more than 10% of my net assets in non-readily realisable securities.
Net assets for these purposes do not include:
(a)
the property which is my primary residence or any money raised through a loan secured on that property;
(b)
any rights of mine under a qualifying contract of insurance; or
(c)
any benefits (in the form of pensions or otherwise) which are payable on the termination of my service or on my death or retirement and to which I am (or my dependants are), or may be entitled; or
(d)
any withdrawals from my pension savings (except where the withdrawals are used directly for income in retirement).
I accept that the investments to which the promotions will relate may expose me to a significant risk of losing all of the money or other property invested. I am aware that it is open to me to seek advice from an authorised person who specialises in advising on non-readily realisable securities.
A certified sophisticated investor is an individual:
(1)
who has a written certificate signed within the last 36 months by a firm confirming he has been assessed by that firm as sufficiently knowledgeable to understand the risks associated with engaging in investment activity in non-mainstream pooled investments; and (2)
who has signed, within the period of twelve months ending with the day on which the communication is made, a statement in the following terms:
“SOPHISTICATED INVESTOR STATEMENT
I make this statement so that I can receive promotional communications which are exempt from the restriction on promotion of non-mainstream pooled investments. The exemption relates to certified sophisticated investors and I declare that I qualify as such.
I accept that the investments to which the promotions will relate may expose me to a significant risk of losing all of the money or other property invested. I am aware that it is open to me to seek advice from an authorised person who specialises in advising on non-mainstream pooled investments.
A self-certified sophisticated investor is an individual who has signed, within the period of twelve months ending with the day on which the communication is made, a statement in the following terms:
“SELF-CERTIFIED SOPHISTICATED INVESTOR STATEMENT
I declare that I am a self-certified sophisticated investor for the purposes of the restriction on promotion of non-mainstream pooled investments. I understand that this means:
(i)
I can receive promotional communications made by a person who is authorised by the Financial Conduct Authority which relate to investment activity in non-mainstream pooled investments; (ii)
the investments to which the promotions will relate may expose me to a significant risk of losing all of the property invested.
I am a self-certified sophisticated investor because at least one of the following applies:
(a)
I am a member of a network or syndicate of business angels and have been so for at least the last six months prior to the date below; (b)
I have made more than one investment in an unlisted company in the two years prior to the date below; (c)
I am working, or have worked in the two years prior to the date below, in a professional capacity in the private equity sector, or in the provision of finance for small and medium enterprises; (d)
I am currently, or have been in the two years prior to the date below, a director of a company with an annual turnover of at least £1 million.
I accept that the investments to which the promotions will relate may expose me to a significant risk of losing all of the money or other property invested. I am aware that it is open to me seek advice from someone who specialises in advising on non-mainstream pooled investments.
A certified high net worth investor is an individual who has signed, within the period of twelve months ending with the day on which the communication is made, a statement in the following terms:
“HIGH NET WORTH INVESTOR STATEMENT
I make this statement so that I can receive promotional communications which are exempt from the restriction on promotion of non-mainstream pooled investments. The exemption relates to certified high net worth investors and I declare that I qualify as such because at least one of the following applies to me:
I had, throughout the financial year immediately preceding the date below, an annual income to the value of £100,000 or more. Annual income for these purposes does not include money withdrawn from my pension savings (except where the withdrawals are used directly for income in retirement). I held, throughout the financial year immediately preceding the date below, net assets to the value of £250,000 or more. Net assets for these purposes do not include:
(a)
the property which is my primary residence or any money raised through a loan secured on that property; or (b)
any rights of mine under a qualifying contract of insurance; or (c)
any benefits (in the form of pensions or otherwise) which are payable on the termination of my service or on my death or retirement and to which I am (or my dependants are), or may be, entitled; or (d)
any withdrawals from my pension savings (except where the withdrawals are used directly for income in retirement).
I accept that the investments to which the promotions will relate may expose me to a significant risk of losing all of the money or other property invested. I am aware that it is open to me to seek advice from an authorised person who specialises in advising on non-mainstream pooled investments.
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Post by sj on Apr 19, 2018 17:13:34 GMT
What exactly are these questions in aid of? Why should I tell Lendy anything about myself? How will my answers affect my money on loan with Lendy and future returns? To be honest, it's one damn thing after another with Lendy at the minute and i'm on the verge of pulling out completely. The pipeline is a sorry state of big DFLs that have not even filled their previous tranches yet, I feel that thy have vastly overstretched themselves and are now grimly committed to these big projects.
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Post by Liz on Apr 19, 2018 17:16:12 GMT
Hmm. I don't think I qualify for any of them 😭
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Post by skint4achange on Apr 19, 2018 17:20:53 GMT
What exactly are these questions in aid of? Why should I tell Lendy anything about myself? How will my answers affect my money on loan with Lendy and future returns? To be honest, it's one damn thing after another with Lendy at the minute and i'm on the verge of pulling out completely. The pipeline is a sorry state of big DFLs that have not even filled their previous tranches yet, I feel that thy have vastly overstretched themselves and are now grimly committed to these big projects.They were always committed to these big projects, and rightly so. A company who lends to these sort projects should never go into it thinking that they only have to fund half of the project.
The investors were committed too, until Lendy started to take them for granted and just treated the little investor like dirt. I now believe that they did not realise how much weight a group of small/medium investors have when they all pull in the same direction I.e. Out of Lendy.
It's a sad state of affairs and I am afraid that even if this latest move on the part of Lendy is due to an FCA regulation, with how Lendy have been behaving recently even this may have a detrimental effect.
I don't think that your answer will affect your returns, but if you read the email again it states that they are going to start offering tailor made loans for different types of investors. My bets are that retail investors will get lower interest rates for the same risk.
Time will tell though
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Post by agent69 on Apr 19, 2018 17:21:46 GMT
A - Restricted (a retail customer) B- High Net Worth (a more sophisticated investor) C- Sophisticated investor (typically independently certified) D - Self-certified sophisticated (made personal declaration) Think I'll go for E - a sensible investor (which is why I don't have any money invested with this bunch of clowns any more).
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Post by supernumerary on Apr 19, 2018 17:26:35 GMT
What exactly are these questions in aid of? Why should I tell Lendy anything about myself? How will my answers affect my money on loan with Lendy and future returns? To be honest, it's one damn thing after another with Lendy at the minute and i'm on the verge of pulling out completely. The pipeline is a sorry state of big DFLs that have not even filled their previous tranches yet, I feel that thy have vastly overstretched themselves and are now grimly committed to these big projects. My attention has been drawn to this statement; " The exercise has been kept short and simple, with clear instructions, which should hopefully cause the minimum inconvenience to you." The post by ilmoro, showing the categories, leaves me pondering with question marks??? This opening comment, would appear to leave it open for us all as an optional questionnaire, rather than it being compulsory; " When you log in from next Monday (April 23rd) you will be presented with a pop-up notification inviting you to categorise yourself, using one of the following FCA investor definitions" So by inviting, it is NOT mandatory then? Or is it?
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Post by ianj on Apr 19, 2018 17:38:16 GMT
Definition of Sophistication by Merriam-Webster includes...... 2 : the process or result of becoming cultured, knowledgeable, or disillusioned.It might be argued that the last element alone will have elevated the vast majority of Lendy's membership to a state of 'high sophistication'!
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Post by skint4achange on Apr 19, 2018 17:39:30 GMT
If you look here:
www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/COBS/3/4.html
This is the FCA definition of "Retail" client. If you press next on the page, you will be directed to COB 3.5 which details (In great depth!) what a "Professional client" is.
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Post by supernumerary on Apr 19, 2018 17:57:16 GMT
Surely, wouldn't it be in the BETTER interests of Lendy to chase the repayment of loans that are due, rather than send out questionnaires like this? When Lendy want more lenders to fill their loan book, why ask questions like this from their own lenders, when to my own knowledge, I have NOT been asked by other P2P lending websites that I have joined?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 19, 2018 18:00:13 GMT
If you look here:
www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/COBS/3/4.html
This is the FCA definition of "Retail" client. If you press next on the page, you will be directed to COB 3.5 which details (In great depth!) what a "Professional client" is. I would suspect everyone is going to be a retail client ... the question being asked is what kind of retail client
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Post by skint4achange on Apr 19, 2018 18:07:30 GMT
True, but you are aware that there are people on here that are "Considerably richer than yow!" (No offence, was taking the mickey out of someone else!)
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Post by guff on Apr 19, 2018 18:12:15 GMT
True, but you are aware that there are people on here that are "Considerably richer than yow!" (No offence, was taking the mickey out of someone else!) So thy haven't vastly overstretched themselves. Or have thy.
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Post by mary on Apr 19, 2018 18:15:27 GMT
As you are Self-Certifying, no one is going to check, all you are doing is confirming that Lendy have met the requirements of the FCA and are absolving them of any breach of these particular regulations.
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