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Post by bigfoot12 on May 19, 2018 9:14:28 GMT
I got one new loan today (none for a week before that), despite having about 42% uninvested new cash. The 42% level seems to roughly agree with other posts on here at the moment. I am in a similar position. I wonder if there is a large chunk of money from last minute ISAs at the beginning of April and the early bird new ISAs just after that which is taking a while to deploy. Any new deposit since then would invest very quickly until it gets to this level. I am a little surprised by the number of secondary market transactions; it seems bigger than I would have expected.
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Post by benaj on May 19, 2018 10:02:41 GMT
I got one new loan today (none for a week before that), despite having about 42% uninvested new cash. The 42% level seems to roughly agree with other posts on here at the moment. I am in a similar position. I wonder if there is a large chunk of money from last minute ISAs at the beginning of April and the early bird new ISAs just after that which is taking a while to deploy. Any new deposit since then would invest very quickly until it gets to this level. I am a little surprised by the number of secondary market transactions; it seems bigger than I would have expected. larger number of SM transaction? like more than 30% of the new deposit money?
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Post by Stonk on May 22, 2018 9:08:11 GMT
I got one new loan today (none for a week before that), despite having about 42% uninvested new cash. The 42% level seems to roughly agree with other posts on here at the moment. My recent experience confirms this. I began a new ISA account two weeks ago. It allocated 20% of my funds on day 1, another 20% on day 2, about 30% on day 3, and then it suddenly stopped dead with 30% spare cash. After a couple of days of no movement, I added a bit more cash to take me down to 50% unallocated, after which I received a trickle of 1 or 2 loans per day until I reached about 60% allocated, since when nothing further has happened. So much for the claimed 7.2%. With 40% of your cash sitting idle, it's actually 4.3% for a new investor. I take issue with this; the caveats are there when you look for them, but nowhere near as prominent as the 7.2% headline figure. All the lovely high percentages on the summary page completely ignore uninvested cash, and are therefore also deceptive.
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Post by benaj on May 22, 2018 9:33:02 GMT
My recent experience confirms this. I began a new ISA account two weeks ago. It allocated 20% of my funds on day 1, another 20% on day 2, about 30% on day 3, and then it suddenly stopped dead with 30% spare cash. After a couple of days of no movement, I added a bit more cash to take me down to 50% unallocated, after which I received a trickle of 1 or 2 loans per day until I reached about 60% allocated, since when nothing further has happened. So much for the claimed 7.2%. With 40% of your cash sitting idle, it's actually 4.3% for a new investor. I take issue with this; the caveats are there when you look for them, but nowhere near as prominent as the 7.2% headline figure. All the lovely high percentages on the summary page completely ignore uninvested cash, and are therefore also deceptive. I really think FC has changed something about lending. The FCIF lost 0.6% in April and they may be lending less in the high risk loans at the moment hence lower projected return. Once, FC finds some high risk loans, the algorithm increase your return. Back in December I have 3K matched. The algorithm started matching loans in PM and SM from 29 Dec, the first PM loan id is 48590, it finished matching 3k by 11th Jan, last PM loan ID is 49074, about 120 loans from PM. This month, I notice the return of the new loans are lower because of more A grade lower return loans, it seems the loan size is smaller as well, but tgis is my speculation without access to the FC live loan book.
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Post by Stonk on May 22, 2018 10:15:38 GMT
The return on my money that has been loaned is in line with their claims. My "estimated fully diversified return" is 7.5%. The algorithm successfully allocated me loans with a variety of interest rates to achieve the intended return.
My issue is simply that it's a return of 7.5% on 60% of my money, but 0% on the other 40%. So that's 4.5% overall (for me), and if this 40% "limit" is indeed true then that is how it will stay. I may as well withdraw the excess and try again in a few weeks. The idea of cash earning 0% sickens me.
If the numbers on the summary page took account of uninvested cash, a lot of people would see their FC investment differently. I might start a thread about this, because I think it's a very important but overlooked factor. For example, on my Classic FC account, I know precisely what my true return has been (based on dates and amounts deposited and withdrawn) and it is substantially lower than the number FC states on my summary page.
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Post by benaj on May 22, 2018 10:21:07 GMT
When I rang FC yesterday, I learnt the algorithm does not match PM on weekends. I had none match last weekend, not even SM.
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Post by cb25 on May 22, 2018 10:34:29 GMT
I've been slowing funding my FC ISA this year, £1000 at a time, waiting for each £1000 to be invested (or at least down to about £50) before putting in the next £1000.
I put in £1000 on 11 May (bringing total to £8000), took 3 days to invest. I put £1000 in on 14 May (total now £9000), £675 already invested, last loan offer yesterday, £325 to go.
I don't see a problem with my account.
(edit: corrected date of 2nd investment to 14 May from incorrect original post of 19 May)
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Post by Stonk on May 22, 2018 11:31:27 GMT
I've been slowing funding my FC ISA this year, £1000 at a time, waiting for each £1000 to be invested (or at least down to about £50) before putting in the next £1000.
I put in £1000 on 11 May (bringing total to £8000), took 3 days to invest. I put £1000 in on 19 May (total now £9000), £675 already invested, last loan offer yesterday, £325 to go.
I don't see a problem with my account.
This does not fit well with the suggestion that the algorithm allocates first to those who have a higher proportion uninvested. Over a similar period, you have had a much lower uninvested proportion than I do, and yet you have received more loans. I know everything is "turned on" in my account, because at long last I have just received a loan within the last hour. The system of mandatory auto-selection was supposed to make it fairer for everbody ... but the inequalities are worse than ever, and also uncontrollable.
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Post by benaj on May 22, 2018 11:43:30 GMT
I don't think cb25 acquired more loans, it's more likely larger loan chunk size than £20 loan part, Probably matching 15 loans for £675 . Dripping £1000 a time seems okay I suppose. Since 56805 matched on Monday, FC has at least lent out 70 new loans right now, and I only acquired 14 new loans after 56805.
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Post by cb25 on May 22, 2018 12:43:15 GMT
I don't think cb25 acquired more loans, it's more likely larger loan chunk size than £20 loan part, Probably matching 15 loans for £675 . Dripping £1000 a time seems okay I suppose. Since 56805 matched on Monday, FC has at least lent out 70 new loans right now, and I only acquired 14 new loans after 56805. "it's more likely larger loan chunk size than £20" - yes, transaction log shows large number of £40 (or £39) orders on 12 May when my portfolio total was £8000 plus interest, then £45 orders after I'd added another £1000 to bring portfolio total to £9000 plus interest. Transaction log shows one £45 order today.
Reason for the drip-feed is twofold i) I don't have the £20K to hand to invest in one go, ii) if I did, I'd get £100 loan parts, whereas this way I get everything from £20-£100. Obviously takes longer, but more diversified
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Post by benaj on May 22, 2018 13:05:54 GMT
May be we all can have a better drip feeding strategy.
Assuming FC only matches PM loans on weekdays, forming 60-80 loans a day, with a probablity 15-20% matching new loans, in theory the algorithm will drip feed at least 45 new loans each week from Monday.
Drip feed £1000 will almost fill up 45 PM loans in a week.
For larger fund, it's about 45+ parts of 0.5% diversification.say the portfolio is already over 10k, 0.5% part is £50, drip feeding another 2k will probably matched within a week in theory.
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Post by Stonk on May 22, 2018 16:38:02 GMT
I don't think cb25 acquired more loans, it's more likely larger loan chunk size than £20 loan part, Probably matching 15 loans for £675 . Dripping £1000 a time seems okay I suppose. Since 56805 matched on Monday, FC has at least lent out 70 new loans right now, and I only acquired 14 new loans after 56805. At 9am on Monday morning, I had £1544 on loan and £956 available (i.e. 38% cash). Since then, in 2 full working days, I have received only 2 loans parts (PM, £20 each). Loan size disparity does not explain this. I'm shocked to hear that 70 loans have gone by, yet I've seen only 2 of them. I was also intending to drip-feed (this is my first lump), but at this rate there's no point carrying on. There's clearly inequality in the algorithm, and I'm on the wrong end of it.
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Post by Ace on May 22, 2018 17:32:16 GMT
I don't think cb25 acquired more loans, it's more likely larger loan chunk size than £20 loan part, Probably matching 15 loans for £675 . Dripping £1000 a time seems okay I suppose. Since 56805 matched on Monday, FC has at least lent out 70 new loans right now, and I only acquired 14 new loans after 56805. At 9am on Monday morning, I had £1544 on loan and £956 available (i.e. 38% cash). Since then, in 2 full working days, I have received only 2 loans parts (PM, £20 each). Loan size disparity does not explain this. I'm shocked to hear that 70 loans have gone by, yet I've seen only 2 of them. I was also intending to drip-feed (this is my first lump), but at this rate there's no point carrying on. There's clearly inequality in the algorithm, and I'm on the wrong end of it. In one of my accounts I've had £1500 on loan and £1000 available with only 3 loans allocated since May 11th (two of £20 and one of £8.14), hence my assertion that the current lending point is about the 40% unallocated funds mark. Don't know why/how cb25 got invested so quickly! Yes, I'm jealous! I added £500 this avo, so now at 50% unallocated, but still no more loans yet! Could be that the lending point has moved higher due to an influx of cash. BTW, I have another account with £10,000 that's been almost fully invested since March. It seems to get new loans whenever the unallocated percentage rises to between 0.5 and 1%. So, once you get fully invested it seems you can forget about the cash drag. Hope this reassures you a little Stonk.
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Post by benaj on May 22, 2018 17:54:02 GMT
Ace, remember you successfully drip feeding 10k in 5 weeks? After reading cb25 post about drip feeding, I really believe this is the key. FC matching algorithm is not designed to match every loans available. It seems there is a good chance to for each retail investor to match 40 loans a week since FC is lending 60-80 loans every weekday. It seems Any extra cash beyond 40+ loans a week is unlikely to be matched . However, it seems Algorithm stops matching loans quickly after matching 80-100+ loans after depositing money. May be I am wrong, I suppose FC knows better than me.
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Post by Stonk on May 22, 2018 18:14:09 GMT
Ace , remember you successfully drip feeding 10k in 5 weeks? After reading cb25 post about drip feeding, I really believe this is the key. FC matching algorithm is not designed to match every loans available. It seems there is a good chance to for each retail investor to match 40 loans a week since FC is lending 60-80 loans every weekday. It seems Any extra cash beyond 40+ loans a week is unlikely to be matched . However, it seems Algorithm stops matching loans quickly after matching 80-100+ loans after depositing money. May be I am wrong, I suppose FC knows better than me. There might be something in this. Following my initial deposit, I was allocated 70-something loans in 3 days before it all stopped. Since then, I have crawled up to 80. Perhaps after the 2 week mark ticks by the algorithm will start considering me again ... I will find out tomorrow.
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