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Post by yorkman on Apr 27, 2018 9:13:34 GMT
I have just received an email from Wellesley telling me that number of my investment loans with them have been "changed to ‘non-performing’ and have been removed from the Auto-Matching System. This will affect your total investment return on your Peer-to-Peer investments."
So over 32 months into a 36 month investment, they have just told me that almost all of my interest has been wiped out and that I 'may' get back less than half of this in two years time.
Thank you Wellesley for completely screwing my retirement plans.
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jaswells
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Post by jaswells on Apr 27, 2018 9:26:16 GMT
How do you know interest and half the capital might be wiped out? Have they also stated this to you?
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Post by yorkman on Apr 27, 2018 9:34:45 GMT
I didn't say half my capital has been wiped out. Some capital has been wiped out which negates the interest over much of the rest of the loan. Sorry if I was not clear. Three of us in the family have had these emails this morning.
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Post by badersleg on Apr 27, 2018 9:37:51 GMT
Here's the info I received for my £10k investment started on 17/02/2014 for 5 years at 6.38%. It had been paying £53.17 per month.
'£624.27 has been suspended from your 5 Year Income. You continue to earn 6.38% on the remainder of your capital. With the anticipated losses factored in, your effective interest rate is now 5.78%
On the £624.27 currently suspended, the forecast recovery value is £354.03. Wellesley is working hard to maximise the recovery of these loans and will keep you updated.
Expected recovery date for total Forecast Recovery Amount: 30/04/2020. Please note, you will not be able to withdraw your suspended loan balance until the loans are fully recovered. '
It's not great, but it's not a disaster.
Tim
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Post by chriscross on Apr 27, 2018 9:47:38 GMT
Yep, Same email here, they've suspended (the words they use) £811.54 from a £12,000 3 year investment, so around 7% suspended.
They do say that they hope to recoup about 50% back by 2020, we can but see..
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Post by iren on Apr 27, 2018 9:53:44 GMT
Yes, I’ve just had the same. A large part of my funds is due to mature next month, with interest having been paid to me correctly throughout the term and no notification of any defaults, and suddenly now it turns out I’m down 6.24% of my capital, while earning annual rates of 4.75% and 5.5%.
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Post by elsee on Apr 27, 2018 9:59:06 GMT
mine says
The status of 3 loans held within your Peer-to-Peer investments have changed to ‘non-performing’ and have been removed from the Auto-Matching System. This will affect your total investment return on your Peer-to-Peer investments.
The variation to your total investment return will depend on the rate and terms of your Peer-to-Peer investment. Across all of our Peer-to-Peer investors, the average return on Peer-to-Peer investments is now estimated as being 4.11%. This represents a reduction of 1.01%.
All Peer-to-Peer investors hold 6.24% of their investment in these defaulted loans. Your current exposure to these loans is shown below:
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Post by Forward on Apr 27, 2018 13:45:16 GMT
Snippet from mine
As you are aware, Wellesley spreads its Peer-to-Peer investments across all loans which means that all investors have a proportionate share of every loan, maximising diversification while minimising the risk exposure to one loan.
All Peer-to-Peer investors hold 6.24% of their investment in these defaulted loans. Your current exposure to these loans is shown below:
Your total Peer-to-Peer investment balance: £6273.34 Suspended Loan Balance: £417.66 Forecast Recovery Balance: £236.90 Current expected recovery date: 30/04/2020
It could have been a lot worse, only in less there’s more to come
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Post by notaclue on Apr 27, 2018 14:11:53 GMT
Anyone know if the provision fund is still in existence?
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iren
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Post by iren on Apr 27, 2018 14:25:52 GMT
I haven’t given this much thought for a long time as I’ve been running down my Wellesley investment since 2015. However, I remember Wellesley marketing the benefits of the belt and braces approach of having all loans secured on property and covered by a provision fund. As the email makes no reference to a provision fund at all, I’d presume this has already been depleted. That could mean we are in for further losses.
I also remember that after I’d stopped investing, rates for new investment went as low as something under 2%. Anyone who invested at these rates will already be seeing a wipeout of profits.
Personally, I haven’t for some time invested any significant sums in any of these schemes where you can’t see what’s under the bonnet. The phrase “picking up pennies in front of a steamroller” unfortunately comes to mind.
I do think this may be a significant problem at Wellesley and not something the industry needs after the Collateral debacle.
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Post by elliotn on Apr 27, 2018 14:29:07 GMT
I have just received an email from Wellesley telling me that number of my investment loans with them have been "changed to ‘non-performing’ and have been removed from the Auto-Matching System. This will affect your total investment return on your Peer-to-Peer investments." So over 32 months into a 36 month investment, they have just told me that almost all of my interest has been wiped out and that I 'may' get back less than half of this in two years time. Thank you Wellesley for completely screwing my retirement plans. It seems 6.24% of the portfolio has been suspended with an indicated c55-60% recovery - is your retirement predicated on such a loss?* *Your capital is at risk.
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Post by iren on Apr 27, 2018 23:40:42 GMT
In fact, wasn't there a third level of security advertised, which was that Wellesley invested some of its its “own money” in each loan and would take first loss. No reference to that either in the email, so that must have gone out the window at some point too.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Apr 28, 2018 8:03:19 GMT
Anyone know if the provision fund is still in existence? In fact, wasn't there a third level of security advertised, which was that Wellesley invested some of its its “own money” in each loan and would take first loss. No reference to that either in the email, so that must have gone out the window at some point too. I have contacted them about the provision fund and I have had a somewhat slippery response that the provision fund is discretionary and this time they aren't going to bother. That wasn't the usual mean of discretionary in use at the time I invested. I'm a bit cross with myself. I haven't liked Wellesley for some time, but the charge to withdraw early was very high. If my loss is about half of ~6% I will still have made the right decision, but I still have another year to go!
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Post by wilf on Apr 28, 2018 9:19:50 GMT
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Post by sandbrain on Apr 28, 2018 9:37:15 GMT
Halfway through a 2 year investment at 4% here. 6.67% suspended with forecast recovery in 2 yrs time of perhaps half of that (which, I assume, will be the same percentage for everyone). As mentioned by others, my concern is how many more loans will become non-performing over the remainder of the term...
EDIT: Just spotted that logging into one's account and clicking i shows effective interest rate. Down to 2.52% here.
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