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Post by markm on Apr 30, 2018 13:39:39 GMT
stevefindlay Hello Steve, Now that the Collateral FCA court case has been concluded and new administrators appointed I wonder if could you provide some more feedback (specific and/or generic) on issues related to Bondmason's involvement with Collateral? I have some questions below but there may be others points that you want to clarify. 1) How are you/ will you now be involved with the new administrators (BDO) wrt the Collateral loans that Bondmason were invested in? 2) Have you reviewed and adjusted your vetting procedures for all your current and future lending partners (e.g. confirming directly that the necessary FCA-approval is in place)? I'm writing as someone who has been invested with Bondmason (largely very happily) for 18 months. Primarily due to the reassurance that BM was carrying out all due diligence on my behalf for both loans and lending partners. I was recently (pre-Collateral administration) planning to significantly increase my own investment and recommend you to other family members, so reassurance from detail of steps taken by Bondmason 'post-Collateral company failure' would be very welcome. Thanks, Mark
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Post by ashtondav on May 1, 2018 10:16:45 GMT
Let’s face it it was pretty high risk to invest in a platform with only two years or less trading. Difficult to see how you could do any real did with that track record
The good news is that I would expect the loans to be repaid as usual, with similar bad debt to before, as the administrator will be winding down the loan book. Should be ok, therefore. However I agree some reassurance on dd should be forthcoming as this is part of BM’s USP!
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Post by stevefindlay on May 3, 2018 21:53:50 GMT
stevefindlay Hello Steve, Now that the Collateral FCA court case has been concluded and new administrators appointed I wonder if could you provide some more feedback (specific and/or generic) on issues related to Bondmason's involvement with Collateral? I have some questions below but there may be others points that you want to clarify. 1) How are you/ will you now be involved with the new administrators (BDO) wrt the Collateral loans that Bondmason were invested in? 2) Have you reviewed and adjusted your vetting procedures for all your current and future lending partners (e.g. confirming directly that the necessary FCA-approval is in place)? I'm writing as someone who has been invested with Bondmason (largely very happily) for 18 months. Primarily due to the reassurance that BM was carrying out all due diligence on my behalf for both loans and lending partners. I was recently (pre-Collateral administration) planning to significantly increase my own investment and recommend you to other family members, so reassurance from detail of steps taken by Bondmason 'post-Collateral company failure' would be very welcome. Thanks, Mark Mark, Whilst we can't comment on specifics relating to the admin process, as I'm sure you'll understand, we can state that we are in direct and regular contact with the team from Collateral as well as being in contact with the administrator. We would be happy to provide resource, or step into the loans in which we've invested, to work these out. We only invested in property-backed loans from Collateral (not pawn broking) - a decision informed by our DD process - and understand that all of our positions are performing. Regarding due diligence: we are always looking at ways to update our DD based on current market conditions. This applies for both Platform reviews and for Loan reviews. As stated elsewhere, we are moving away from P2P - less than half of our loans come from such platforms - a decision taken based on the results of our DD. Many thanks, Steve
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Post by jlend on Jun 11, 2018 12:13:07 GMT
stevefindlay Hello Steve, Now that the Collateral FCA court case has been concluded and new administrators appointed I wonder if could you provide some more feedback (specific and/or generic) on issues related to Bondmason's involvement with Collateral? I have some questions below but there may be others points that you want to clarify. 1) How are you/ will you now be involved with the new administrators (BDO) wrt the Collateral loans that Bondmason were invested in? 2) Have you reviewed and adjusted your vetting procedures for all your current and future lending partners (e.g. confirming directly that the necessary FCA-approval is in place)? I'm writing as someone who has been invested with Bondmason (largely very happily) for 18 months. Primarily due to the reassurance that BM was carrying out all due diligence on my behalf for both loans and lending partners. I was recently (pre-Collateral administration) planning to significantly increase my own investment and recommend you to other family members, so reassurance from detail of steps taken by Bondmason 'post-Collateral company failure' would be very welcome. Thanks, Mark Mark, Whilst we can't comment on specifics relating to the admin process, as I'm sure you'll understand, we can state that we are in direct and regular contact with the team from Collateral as well as being in contact with the administrator. We would be happy to provide resource, or step into the loans in which we've invested, to work these out. We only invested in property-backed loans from Collateral (not pawn broking) - a decision informed by our DD process - and understand that all of our positions are performing. Regarding due diligence: we are always looking at ways to update our DD based on current market conditions. This applies for both Platform reviews and for Loan reviews. As stated elsewhere, we are moving away from P2P - less than half of our loans come from such platforms - a decision taken based on the results of our DD. Many thanks, Steve Be interesting to know if BM are still as confident given the latest statement from the collateral administrators which says there have been little in the way of repayments and issues with data being deleted.
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Post by mrclondon on Jun 11, 2018 19:19:54 GMT
stevefindlay - if as today's FAQ from BDO implies, COL's p2p lenders are to be treated as creditors of the COL group, do you have any views on the desirability or otherwise of p2p lenders being represented on a creditors committee ? Is this something BondMason could help instigate on behalf of all COL's p2p lenders ?
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Post by stevefindlay on Jun 13, 2018 10:57:56 GMT
stevefindlay - if as today's FAQ from BDO implies, COL's p2p lenders are to be treated as creditors of the COL group, do you have any views on the desirability or otherwise of p2p lenders being represented on a creditors committee ? Is this something BondMason could help instigate on behalf of all COL's p2p lenders ?
mrclondon - we have made offers to BDO (and the previous administrator) to assist in any way required to facilitate the best outcome for our clients and investors in Collateral loans. This includes acting as a liason and/or representation for other investors (which may end up as creditors) - which I agree would be a good idea. We understand that BDO are still trying to 'get their arms around' the data. We've specifically offered to supply our own detailed records - we retain information on all loans we review, including those we don't invest in - and assist with reconciliations of the loan book. We will wait to see what contributions we can provide to the process - but remain committed to achieving the best outcome possible.
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Post by dandy on Jun 13, 2018 11:47:02 GMT
Mark, Whilst we can't comment on specifics relating to the admin process, as I'm sure you'll understand, we can state that we are in direct and regular contact with the team from Collateral as well as being in contact with the administrator. We would be happy to provide resource, or step into the loans in which we've invested, to work these out. We only invested in property-backed loans from Collateral (not pawn broking) - a decision informed by our DD process - and understand that all of our positions are performing. Regarding due diligence: we are always looking at ways to update our DD based on current market conditions. This applies for both Platform reviews and for Loan reviews. As stated elsewhere, we are moving away from P2P - less than half of our loans come from such platforms - a decision taken based on the results of our DD. Many thanks, Steve Hi Steve, BDO have stated investors are creditors - do you accept that position on behalf of BM clients? In other words, what is being done to protect BM and its clients from this sorry mess ...
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Post by stevefindlay on Jun 13, 2018 13:20:05 GMT
Mark, Whilst we can't comment on specifics relating to the admin process, as I'm sure you'll understand, we can state that we are in direct and regular contact with the team from Collateral as well as being in contact with the administrator. We would be happy to provide resource, or step into the loans in which we've invested, to work these out. We only invested in property-backed loans from Collateral (not pawn broking) - a decision informed by our DD process - and understand that all of our positions are performing. Regarding due diligence: we are always looking at ways to update our DD based on current market conditions. This applies for both Platform reviews and for Loan reviews. As stated elsewhere, we are moving away from P2P - less than half of our loans come from such platforms - a decision taken based on the results of our DD. Many thanks, Steve Hi Steve, BDO have stated investors are creditors - do you accept that position on behalf of BM clients? In other words, what is being done to protect BM and its clients from this sorry mess ... Accepting position as Creditors: we are monitoring the announcements from BDO; and we reserve our right to consider our position in the fullness of time, based on the development of the process. What is being done: we have a complete and accurate record of all investment positions and security. We remain watchful over the process (and have offered to engage directly). We expect an appropriate outcome based on the investments made and their performance; and will fight to ensure that the outcome is inline with these expectations. In short: the process needs to be allowed to run its course, and BDO needs to be supported to ensure they have the best chance of delivering the best outcome, and held accountable for the same. We remain an engaged, watchful and keen participant. We have experience of managing, and being involved in, administration processes; and we will use our experience for the benefit of our clients.
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Post by dandy on Jun 13, 2018 13:56:09 GMT
Thank you and good luck - I hope your efforts prove to be beneficial for all of us as someone, somewhere needs to hold BDO to account to ensure investors are not milked.
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Post by stevefindlay on Jun 22, 2018 18:41:33 GMT
We (BondMason) are very happy to serve on the Creditors Committee. We will write to BDO as instructed to volunteer ourselves.
If anyone else would like to support our nomination, please also write to BDO and state that you would like 'BondMason Client Ltd' to represent you on the Creditors Committee.
Assuming we are successfully nominated, we will need to consider the best way to ensure your views are covered, and to report back. We can disucss this collectively later.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Jun 23, 2018 10:36:07 GMT
We (BondMason) are very happy to serve on the Creditors Committee. We will write to BDO as instructed to volunteer ourselves. If anyone else would like to support our nomination, please also write to BDO and state that you would like 'BondMason Client Ltd' to represent you on the Creditors Committee. Assuming we are successfully nominated, we will need to consider the best way to ensure your views are covered, and to report back. We can disucss this collectively later. Many thanks for your generous offer of help by providing a proxy voice for lenders on the CC & whilst I am not a BM client I believe this would be a positive step & worthy of my support.
Perhaps I might suggest that you also liaise with Ed MoneyThing as he too has been proactive in his support for lenders & a collaboration may be to our mutual benefit?
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Post by eric on Jun 28, 2018 19:52:21 GMT
We (BondMason) are very happy to serve on the Creditors Committee. We will write to BDO as instructed to volunteer ourselves. If anyone else would like to support our nomination, please also write to BDO and state that you would like 'BondMason Client Ltd' to represent you on the Creditors Committee. Assuming we are successfully nominated, we will need to consider the best way to ensure your views are covered, and to report back. We can disucss this collectively later. stevefindlay Many thanks for posting this Steve. From the R3 Guide for Creditors, regarding a Creditors' Committee, a company "must be represented by an individual who will be given a letter of authority, by the company, enabling them to act on the company’s behalf". Also "you cannot be represented by a body corporate".
If any Collateral investors wish to nominate the person put forward by BondMason to act as their representative, what name and address should they put? That person will need to have submitted their consent form to be a member of the committee. The R3 Guide says "You cannot be on the Committee as a creditor in your own right and act for another creditor at the same time." It may be helpful to obtain clarification whether the individual representing BondMason can also represent other creditors. For investors, looking at the nomination form in Appendix 10 of the Administrators' Proposals (pdf page 52), the form must be accompanied by a signed Proof of Debt claim form unless one has already been submitted. From the latest FAQ, the forms can be returned either by post, or email to investorcollateral@bdo.co.uk, to arrive no later than 4pm on Wednesday 4 July. The claim form is solely for voting purposes at this stage. The Proposals say the claim amount "will not in any way affect your rights to recover any sums owing" (p16).
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Post by stevefindlay on Jun 29, 2018 6:27:59 GMT
We (BondMason) are very happy to serve on the Creditors Committee. We will write to BDO as instructed to volunteer ourselves. If anyone else would like to support our nomination, please also write to BDO and state that you would like 'BondMason Client Ltd' to represent you on the Creditors Committee. Assuming we are successfully nominated, we will need to consider the best way to ensure your views are covered, and to report back. We can disucss this collectively later. stevefindlay Many thanks for posting this Steve. From the R3 Guide for Creditors, regarding a Creditors' Committee, a company "must be represented by an individual who will be given a letter of authority, by the company, enabling them to act on the company’s behalf". Also "you cannot be represented by a body corporate".
If any Collateral investors wish to nominate the person put forward by BondMason to act as their representative, what name and address should they put? That person will need to have submitted their consent form to be a member of the committee. The R3 Guide says "You cannot be on the Committee as a creditor in your own right and act for another creditor at the same time." It may be helpful to obtain clarification whether the individual representing BondMason can also represent other creditors. For investors, looking at the nomination form in Appendix 10 of the Administrators' Proposals (pdf page 52), the form must be accompanied by a signed Proof of Debt claim form unless one has already been submitted. From the latest FAQ, the forms can be returned either by post, or email to investorcollateral@bdo.co.uk, to arrive no later than 4pm on Wednesday 4 July. The claim form is solely for voting purposes at this stage. The Proposals say the claim amount "will not in any way affect your rights to recover any sums owing" (p16). I intend to be the representative for BondMason. I wouldn't have thought BDO would split hairs on this: if someone has nominated BondMason Client Ltd, I'm sure they'll interpret that as a vote for BCLs representative.
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Post by up on Jul 6, 2018 15:31:38 GMT
It seems we can now quantify our exposure to Collateral via Bondmason as in the recovery tab certain loans are marked "Jul 2018: The lending platform is in Administration."
For me that is 7 loan parts with total value 5.9% a single BM investment end 2016. This higher than the ca 4% loan book share implied by BM declared 1.69% of total platform investments being in Collateral loans. (* 4% after adjusting by stats page figure that 58% repaid as of Mar 2018 or ca £0.59m of £13.8m). The loans dated Apr-Oct 2017 all 12% except one each 13% & 14% and all show interest received amounts broadly consistent with Collateral regular payouts.
Whilst disappointed to have more exposure than had expected, overall am reassured if broadly in line with BM stats, claims re platform limits and to see the loans are accounted for appropriately within the black-box system.
I have far larger direct investment in Collateral so an indirect benefit if BM turn out to have more reason to push for a better outcome.
Maybe others can share similar figures for reference although harder if investment level varied or did not completely span the Collateral property lending period.
(* figures may be incorrect as the stats page vague. also depends on assumption that all and only Collateral loans are referred to by this "platform in administration" tag)
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 6, 2018 17:22:20 GMT
I am extremely disappointed with my exposure to Col on BM. I had pretty much removed myself from Col directly and to find BM who are meant to do better DD than me significantly exposed is not good.
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