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Post by stuartassetzcapital on May 1, 2018 12:54:47 GMT
Hi everyone
We are reviewing this potential feature again and would welcome your views and votes - and your comments/questions if you have any. There would clearly be warnings required and other functions to prevent accidental purchase of suspended loans by people. Discounts (which wouldn't be mandatory) would allow people to make offers to sell loan parts prior to any recovery taking place and therefore form a view on both time to recover and recovery end value in judging the discount to offer and vice versa for buyers. Clearly until a recovery is completed any information or otherwise available from ourselves or elsewhere about this process and the eventual outcome could not be relied upon until the money was in the bank as it were. This is expected to only be for Manual Lending Account purposes for the time being.
Thank you
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Post by dandy on May 1, 2018 13:14:37 GMT
Hi everyone We are reviewing this potential feature again and would welcome your views and votes - and your comments/questions if you have any. There would clearly be warnings required and other functions to prevent accidental purchase of suspended loans by people. Discounts (which wouldn't be mandatory) would allow people to make offers to sell loan parts prior to any recovery taking place and therefore form a view on both time to recover and recovery end value in judging the discount to offer and vice versa for buyers. Clearly until a recovery is completed any information or otherwise available from ourselves or elsewhere about this process and the eventual outcome could not be relied upon until the money was in the bank as it were. This is expected to only be for Manual Lending Account purposes for the time being. Thank you I think that would be a great feature
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Post by angrysaveruk on May 1, 2018 13:18:10 GMT
Would be great feature for people who want liquidity, people who want to analyse suspended loans and take an educated investment on the likely outcome, and people like me who just like seat of the pants gambling but cant be bothered to do a lot of research
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Post by Butch Cassidy on May 1, 2018 13:44:31 GMT
It was my understanding that this status should already exist for loans via MLIA that are genuinely suspended for recovery (not just short term for votes, drawdowns, info gathering etc) but I would be happy for them to be tradable using the discounting system already in place, that was in fact, designed for just this reason & then let the market decide the price & also allow those who prefer to accept a quick haircut to get out & those who are happy to hold for recovery to buy more at a discount or par.
Just disappointed that this needs to be revisited every few months to check that "stupid people" are still protected from buying something they probably shouldn't be invested in anyway, if they can't understand how & why it works as it does. A clear & rigid suspension protocol that everyone could understand & that ALL AC EMPLOYEES stuck to might be a better start rather than the ad hoc one that currently sporadically operates & appears to have no specific reasoning behind it.
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on May 1, 2018 14:00:11 GMT
In terms of the 'rigid' policy for suspensions etc you will be pleased to know this has been reviewed this week again, and to a degree earlier, and is very, very clear internally. It will mean consistency in suspensions, for the right reasons where investors need to be protected from 'events' we are aware of and we are reviewing the potential to open discounted loan trading to those investors who are happy to sign disclaimers on those trades.
As can be seen from the loan book and the forthcoming 'default' stats we are taking a very clear line on loan credit events and potential consequent defaults and it is possible this is seen in the early days as a wobble on our default rates and numbers of suspended loans but we expect this will come to be seen for what it is - staying ahead of issues arising, flagging issues and suspending loans as soon as possible/necessary (internally and externally), calling defaults robustly and when required and to a standard policy consistent with and used by banking organisations. Loan suspensions mean that you know that we are all over that loan and reviewing strategies to get it repaid as best we can achieve, or at least to seek to achieve a restructure, where sensible, under lender voting. Lending is not a fire and forget business and not without risk and we therefore continue to grow our loan servicing/monitoring and recoveries teams to provide a great service for investors.
There is much talk on the wider forum about platforms not having a reliable and trusted approach to default flagging and management/ work out and we do not want to have that talk about us. We trust that our property security on most past loans and all future loans will deliver the net results that we have become known for and will continue to endeavour to deliver these.
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Post by pikestaff on May 1, 2018 14:07:26 GMT
I would potentially be seller or buyer depending on price. Whether there would be many sellers at a price I'd like remains to be seen...
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Post by Butch Cassidy on May 1, 2018 14:15:54 GMT
If indeed going forward suspension policy "is very, very clear internally. It will mean consistency in suspensions, for the right reasons where investors need to be protected from 'events' we are aware of" that will be most welcome but having been with AC for nearly 4 1/2 years I have been told this before, on at least a couple of occasions & although the following few months do indeed conform to the vision set out for lenders, the previously bad habits & inconsistency have returned at a later date. Then after complaints & top level management intervention things are again returned to the promised vision only to slip backwards as more new employees take matters into their own hands to "protect investors (from themselves)."
I trust that your intentions are well meaning & hopefully will be monitored for compliance into the future & the sooner most loans are returned to trading again the better but you will understand that I will reserve judgement to see the fruits of your actions rather than just these soothing words.
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on May 1, 2018 14:31:00 GMT
I can assure you this isn't just soothing words ! Whilst wanting to be fair with borrowers and working with them closely through difficulties where this is mutual, protects value and makes sense, we want to become very well known for our security, attentiveness in monitoring and recoveries skill and level of those recoveries. Getting ahead of the ball has always been our ambition and we are now getting further and further ahead of potential issues before they arise. Yes suspensions will result and even some faster defaults but this approach also means some loans could come back out of suspensions or even possibly reverse out of default status if the positions can be rectified.
The whole team is all over this and is committed to it.
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Post by Mike on May 1, 2018 14:35:05 GMT
So long as the tax implications work out, this sounds good I would buy if discounts were accurate (I doubt they will be)
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Post by ozboy on May 1, 2018 14:37:17 GMT
I can assure you this isn't just soothing words ! Whilst wanting to be fair with borrowers and working with them closely through difficulties where this is mutual, protects value and makes sense, we want to become very well known for our security, attentiveness in monitoring and recoveries skill and level of those recoveries. Getting ahead of the ball has always been our ambition and we are now getting further and further ahead of potential issues before they arise. Yes suspensions will result and even some faster defaults but this approach also means some loans could come back out of suspensions or even possibly reverse out of default status if the positions can be rectified. The whole team is all over this and is committed to it. "The proof of the pudding, is..........................."
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Post by dandy on May 1, 2018 14:39:28 GMT
Having considered it further it does kind of feel like we are possibly being softened up for a large increase in suspensions and speed of suspensions (and removing PF cover) i.e. dont worry they are now trade'able if you dont like it sell it.
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on May 1, 2018 14:45:19 GMT
The suspensions have already happened so just day to day business going forwards - so no 'softening up', no. This poll came out of some user requests as a result of those past recent suspensions and we generally need to test the appetite before making changes. There are other polls coming by email too shortly on other matters.
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Post by cb25 on May 1, 2018 14:51:16 GMT
I might use this discounting feature, for buys and/or sells. Ahead of that, I'd prefer AC stop borrowers dictating the Voting options when loans go into default and do it themselves (so we don't get any more 'would you like to lend us money interest-free for 6 months ?')
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Post by angrysaveruk on May 1, 2018 14:53:08 GMT
Although you can do this you should be able to see what is available at what discounts so people can browse through and see there is something you can buy at a 30% discount. At the moment you have no way of browsing the discounted loans afaik
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Post by chris on May 1, 2018 14:56:13 GMT
Although you can do this you should be able to see what is available at what discounts so people can browse through and see there is something you can buy at a 30% discount. At the moment you have no way of browsing the discounted loans afaik This is coming in a few weeks regardless of the outcome of the poll or any policy changes. However you can currently set up a buy order on loans you may be interested in buying but only at a discount by specifying the minimum discount you'd be interested in purchasing at.
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