SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Jun 7, 2018 7:31:52 GMT
It will be from loans defaulted prior to April 2017 (some better punctuation would help; read it as "Principal recovered (from loans put into recoveries) during 1st April 2017 to 1st April 2018")
IIRC, AC changed their 2016-17 tax statements around Sept 2017 to include defaults and recoveries. If you printed your 2016/17 tax statement before then, it won't have allowed for defaulted loans. In that case, presumably you won't have claimed those loans as irrecoverable and therefore are not liable for tax on recoveries from them.
To be certain, you can download the CSV version of the tax statement and look at which loans have generated the recoveries. Also download an updated 2016-17 tax statement to see when they were defaulted.
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Post by danielbird193 on Jun 7, 2018 7:32:13 GMT
I think it refers to principal recovered on previous year's bad loans during that period (on which you would have to pay tax if you had claimed bad debt tax relief on a previous year's tax return).
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Post by danielbird193 on Jun 7, 2018 7:33:17 GMT
But should add that I agree the wording is unclear, so I'm not certain about my explanation...
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Post by SteveT on Jun 7, 2018 10:08:16 GMT
Relief for loans deemed irrecoverable under SAIM 12000 only came in from the 2016-17 tax year. Since most AC loans that were deemed irrecoverable that year have since been recovered, it's pretty much just a timing issue (ie. you paid the tax a year early)
The email you quote from April 2017 would have been superceded by AC's new tax statements which came in around Sept 2017 and included loans deemed irrecoverable and recoveries.
BTW, a loan deemed irrecoverable (ie. a defaulted loan that has entered legal recovery procedures) is NOT the same thing as a loss. Many posters on this forum cannot get their heads around this and repeatedly claim to have "lost money" on XYZ platform when all they really mean (at this stage) is that some of their loans are in default and legal recovery procedures have begun. Relatively few P2P loans in default have exhausted all routes for legal recovery and been written off as a loss. Across the platforms I've used in the last 4+ years, I've a couple on FC and about 6 on ReBS.
That said, there are a couple where I reckon AC should face facts and declare the remaining deficits as a loss (#57 Optical Lens Manufacturer and #86 Scottish Property Investment). Also a couple on FS where prospects for further recoveries also seem very low (Wind Turbine and Scottish Boatyard)
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Post by SteveT on Jun 7, 2018 10:56:43 GMT
Can only really comment on loans I hold, where none have been moved to the Repaid Loans page until all capital (at least) has been recovered. I suspect those stats include assumed losses on loans still in the Live Loans list where recovery is still (at least notionally) being pursued.
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 7, 2018 12:06:58 GMT
There is a difference between loans eligible to 'treated' as irrecoverable (losses) for tax relief under SAIM 12000 and loans that have been written off.
On their tax statement AC are reporting loans under the former definition ie irrecoverable except through legal process.
The second definition is loans that are crystallised bad debt, actual losses, where there is no prospect of any further recovery and the loans have been written off.
As Steve says, there are several that probably should be. Fortunately, the nice people at HMRC have allowed for platforms being reluctant to crystallise bad debt and have given them a way to declare lossess without having any losses.
Looking at AC statistics, they provide a definition for what they consider a default/bad debt and it is this that is being used to generate the various figures. It differs from both the definitions above and isnt actually relevant when considering loss relief claims AFAICS.
Edit Like Lendy AC use the 180 day definition of a default, Lendy of course dont use the SAIM 12000 definition in their tax reports.
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