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Post by ozboy on Jul 19, 2018 14:17:08 GMT
or some-such. Or does something already exist? I'd suggest Asset Backed or Secured P2P Lenders, to differentiate our problems from the Unsecured P2Ps such as RateSetter, Zopa, etc. With a Paid Membership it could be worthwhile for someone to setup? Just don't ask me to organise or run it!
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Post by empirica on Jul 19, 2018 14:34:49 GMT
Interesting.
As you've given it some thought, what would you expect from such a paid-membersip association and how much would you be prepared to pay for those benefits?
(It is something I've fleetingly considered but have doubts as to getting the Association 'recognised'. Press shouldn't be a problem, but Platforms and other, more formal entities such as the FCA / FSO could prove more difficult. Therefore, I wonder what 'teeth' the Association would have and whether it could therefore be considered good enough value for money to warrant a paid subscription.)
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Post by ozboy on Jul 19, 2018 14:57:58 GMT
It would be a complete and utter waste of time approaching and lobbying Platforms. The (unofficial) "Borrowers Association" have Platforms in their back pocket and would easily see us off. Lobbying The FCA, RICS (we all know for what), The Media, and MPs (Committees, etc.) would arguably be the way forward. I can only speak for me but I would pay £10 - £20+ pa for Membership of a pro-active Association. No idea if that would be enough. The "teeth" are always down to how energetic, tenacious, believable, & persuasive you are. (Add in here any other suitable adjectives ) Being aggressive when appropriate never goes astray either. In my experience.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Jul 20, 2018 3:01:33 GMT
Not a terrible idea, but why would you want to exclude the three largest and best known platforms. Are the problems of secured lending that unique? I can see that valuations are a different issue, but many other problems would overlap.
The biggest problem that I can see is that benefits accrue to everyone, but the cost is paid by members; so how do you persuade the first few thousand members to sign up? Maybe members could vote on which issue/platform to tackle first?
My guess is that £20 wouldn't be enough.
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Post by cb25 on Jul 20, 2018 9:10:57 GMT
If the association is of us Lenders, rather than the P2P platforms, I can't see how it would have any 'teeth'. Imo, that comes from having legal powers. I wouldn't be interested in paying to join as I haven't experienced any problem that can't be dealt with by the existing frameworks. If I had, I'd be more likely to lobby my MP or the papers than join an association.
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Post by dandy on Jul 20, 2018 10:37:49 GMT
p2pfa.org.ukDo we really want another one? I'd rather have one less actually
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Post by Nomad on Jul 20, 2018 11:35:33 GMT
It would be a complete and utter waste of time approaching and lobbying Platforms. The (unofficial) "Borrowers Association" have Platforms in their back pocket and would easily see us off. Lobbying The FCA, RICS (we all know for what), The Media, and MPs (Committees, etc.) would arguably be the way forward. I can only speak for me but I would pay £10 - £20+ pa for Membership of a pro-active Association. No idea if that would be enough. The "teeth" are always down to how energetic, tenacious, believable, & persuasive you are. (Add in here any other suitable adjectives ) Being aggressive when appropriate never goes astray either. In my experience. I'd be happy to pay that also, but there seems to be remarkably little interest in such an initiative. That's surprising, given the justifiable [IMO] level of concern [and often outrage] expressed on the forum about the conduct of certain platforms. Currently this forum has 4234 members, and 2322 members and guests have been online in the past 24 hours. This thread has 4 responses to the OP, none very positive....
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Post by ozboy on Jul 20, 2018 11:37:45 GMT
Re p2pfa.org.uk, isn't this for the Platforms? We already know how they give Lenders' interests preference .
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Post by ozboy on Jul 20, 2018 11:43:52 GMT
The continuing apathy on here is astounding, but nothing new is it Nomad?
Most lenders on here seem to enjoy being regularly shafted, then have a good moan, then get shafted again.
Heaven forbid they actually DO anything about it, that's just not cricket - Borrowers and Platforms have Rights!
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Post by dandy on Jul 20, 2018 11:48:59 GMT
The continuing apathy on here is astounding, but nothing new is it Nomad? Most lenders on here seem to enjoy being regularly shafted, then have a good moan, then get shafted again. Heaven forbid they actually DO anything about it, that's just not cricket - Borrowers and Platforms have Rights! Not everyone is taken in by glitzy platforms and 12% rates (only those that enjoy being shafted as you say) Some of us would prefer to protect ourselves rather than expect some association to do it for us
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Post by jwatson on Jul 20, 2018 11:51:47 GMT
I'd say that one of the best ways of lobbying platforms is through public forums like this one.
I'm sure that platforms would play along with an association like the one proposed at first, but they'd quickly get ignored when push comes to shove, as the interests of the platform would always take priority.
Although platform engagement on here is reducing, at least they are keeping an eye on discussions (evidenced by when they occasionally surface to refute something), and negative publicity can be a powerful weapon.
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Post by ozboy on Jul 20, 2018 12:03:43 GMT
United we stand, divided we fall. Strength in numbers. Every man for himself will get you a long way won't it?
The Borrowers and Platforms know we have no collective Voice and take pecuniary advantage of that and lose us money for their benefit.
I think most on here have the wrong attitude and tbh you deserve to be turned over and cleaned out. As you are being.
It was an idea I had which I thought an obvious route to take. I now withdraw from this Topic.
I hope everyone gets what they deserve out of ABP2P.
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Post by dandy on Jul 20, 2018 12:25:19 GMT
United we stand, divided we fall. Strength in numbers. Every man for himself will get you a long way won't it? The Borrowers and Platforms know we have no collective Voice and take pecuniary advantage of that and lose us money for their benefit. I think most on here have the wrong attitude and tbh you deserve to be turned over and cleaned out. As you are being. It was an idea I had which I thought an obvious route to take. I now withdraw from this Topic. I hope everyone gets what they deserve out of ABP2P. sorry ozboy no offence intended I know the intentions are good but reality is no one is going to look after our investments other than us - I fail to see what they can do other than wave a magic wand and make platforms become saints instead of businesses?
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Post by jlend on Jul 20, 2018 13:14:30 GMT
United we stand, divided we fall. Strength in numbers. Every man for himself will get you a long way won't it? The Borrowers and Platforms know we have no collective Voice and take pecuniary advantage of that and lose us money for their benefit. I think most on here have the wrong attitude and tbh you deserve to be turned over and cleaned out. As you are being. It was an idea I had which I thought an obvious route to take. I now withdraw from this Topic. I hope everyone gets what they deserve out of ABP2P. I think it is a good idea. From my experience of investor action groups it will take a small group of people to form a group that will do the majority of the work and be willing to give a small amount of their time. This small group could then mobilise the larger group around things like writing to their local MPs on specific issues, providing things like standard letters that each investor could tweak. There will be a variety of grievances that lenders have, not all will agree, but i am sure there will be some common themes that a large number of lenders agree on. Like a lot of volunteer action groups, a small group of people are needed to kick things off and keep things going for the benefit of a wider group.
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Post by Mike on Jul 20, 2018 14:39:01 GMT
...Heaven forbid they actually DO anything about it... Maybe for the same reason you posted this: Just don't ask me to organise or run it!
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