mjc
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Post by mjc on Aug 8, 2018 16:11:46 GMT
Agree grumbler, another thing that would be re-assuring to see from ALL p2p would be mandatory, comparable stats, showing if every available loan had been funded with the same amount, what would the effective annual return be for the previous year. I.E. can’t see the poorer platforms willingly doing it.
I was struck by the contrasting email today from PL explaining why they have exceptionally and conditionally not immediately defaulted a 90 day loan. Firm, clear positive action, no borrower is likely to try to pull the wool over their eyes!
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Post by boudicca on Aug 8, 2018 16:26:04 GMT
Good to see some suggestions on this thread about how things could be improved.
Companies should encourage constructive criticism, it's free customer feedback.
Edit: Although the title of this thread probably encourages more of the 'end is nigh ' comments than the constructive criticism ones.
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Post by charliebrown on Aug 8, 2018 16:56:31 GMT
Where FS has a truly awful reputation but seemingly doesn’t care and are spending all their efforts on originating new loans and very little effort or emotion on any type of recovery action my conclusion would be that the owner’s plans are short term not long term.
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Post by Imothep on Aug 8, 2018 17:00:19 GMT
decent post, fyi F/S have taken on a senior property manager / compliance / risk and they send out borrowers regular statements prior to the loans running to term .... Is this supposition, rumour or fact..and if its fact, how do you know this ? fact, i try only to deal in facts, i find it works out better for all , hope it helps ....
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Post by Imothep on Aug 8, 2018 17:01:38 GMT
Is this supposition, rumour or fact..and if its fact, how do you know this ? Logically a borrower would know. supposition indeed ! maybe just try linked in , its pretty useful to do a bit of digging if you have 5 mins
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Post by Imothep on Aug 8, 2018 17:21:04 GMT
supposition indeed ! maybe just try linked in , its pretty useful to do a bit of digging if you have 5 mins Supposition of supposition I think, I was just suggesting one category of person who would know. Admittedly at the same wondering if Hugh Hefner was auto-writing from the grave. everyone loves the hef
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Post by pigbreeder on Aug 8, 2018 17:27:38 GMT
Is this supposition, rumour or fact..and if its fact, how do you know this ? fact, i try only to deal in facts, i find it works out better for all , hope it helps .... I maybe hopelessly naive but I think the in last few weeks FS have shown a tougher and more proactive approach. While there are, and probably be will more, horror stories given the nature of the business I am still getting a much better return here than most other places and I think even such examples as the Art debacle will sort themselves over time. Just don't expect to see your money back as early as you might hope.
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Post by beepbeepimajeep on Aug 8, 2018 17:31:44 GMT
Just don't expect to see your money back as early as you might hope. Don't have any problem with money being tied up for a decent amount of time. I do have a problem with loans being advertised with a security that does not exist. I also have a problem with lies being presented as fact on loans. Finally, I have a problem with a refusal to default loans and sell assets when all that investors have been fed for years is a load of outright bull**** and nonsense.
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Aug 8, 2018 17:50:19 GMT
Unfortunately beepbeepimajeep, the Apologists, Defenders & Shills think it's all perfectly fine and acceptable. It's all part and parcel of "investing." You don't get 10 -12% returns without risk, dontcha know? These people are music to the ears of the Platforms and I would say a large factor in the industry continuing to get away with what it does.
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Post by beepbeepimajeep on Aug 8, 2018 17:59:48 GMT
Unfortunately beepbeepimajeep , the Apologists, Defenders & Shills think it's all perfectly fine and acceptable. It's all part and parcel of "investing." You don't get 10 -12% returns without risk, dontcha know? These people are music to the ears of the Platforms and I would say a large factor in the industry continuing to get away with what it does. Haha yeah, I don't have a problem with loans being defaulted, the security being sold and sometimes taking a capital loss on a loan. After all that's what DD is for and risk is risk. It is all the BS above that has caused this crisis.
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Post by 11025 on Aug 8, 2018 18:05:55 GMT
Unfortunately beepbeepimajeep , the Apologists, Defenders & Shills think it's all perfectly fine and acceptable. It's all part and parcel of "investing." You don't get 10 -12% returns without risk, dontcha know? These people are music to the ears of the Platforms and I would say a large factor in the industry continuing to get away with what it does. Haha yeah, I don't have a problem with loans being defaulted, the security being sold and sometimes taking a capital loss on a loan. After all that's what DD is for and risk is risk. It is all the BS above that has caused this crisis. TBH I agree with that but , all this is starting to catch up with them , now we can see it for what it is , plenty of BS in the loans listings , plenty of BS in updates ....
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Post by aligibbs on Aug 8, 2018 18:11:17 GMT
Sounds like they aren't allowing some of the loans I have invested in to renew/run on. Wonder if that will actually happen though....
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Post by greenslime on Aug 8, 2018 19:38:10 GMT
- Hire one really good portfolio manager / debt recovery officer. Clearly your existing staff are totally out of their depth and you need someone with a lot of prior experience to get things back on track. I know some people in Glasgow who could offer FS a very focused and hands-on approach to debt recovery … it might not get all our money back but it might make us all feel better. But seriously … I find it very difficult to have an objective view of FS. Having sold everything I could and ceased investing in new loans some months back my only holdings are dross and my only return on them to date is the dubious pleasure of reading illiterate and information-free updates. The result is that all I see of them are loans that have gone wrong - it may be that if I looked more widely at their overall performance over time I would have a less subjective view. I got out purely because I lost confidence in their ability to deal with borrowers who would or could not repay loans. I can accept that property development doesn't run to schedule and that everybody's interests may be best served by allowing borrowers more time to achieve a favourable resolution, but that assumes that FS are actively managing these situations - 'Ah hae ma doots'. But for 'pawn' loans I don't see why there should be any latitude, and certainly not months of latitude based on assurances that 'the cheque is in the post'. I'm a minnow not a whale, and have never put more into P2P (loan, platform or overall) than I could shrug off if part or all of the P2P thing collapsed tomorrow. That means two things - in terms of the actual sums at stake it's not really worth my time doing much about FS, and in terms of my overall financial situation I don't care if they go belly up tomorrow. I can understand why those with more at stake, whether in sheer monetary terms or in terms of the effect of failure on their life (OT, but did I see some poor so-and-so had put his entire life savings into Collateral ?) are concerned that the questioning of FS's future viability on this forum might become a self-fulfilling prophecy. But it seems to me that confidence is being (has been?) eroded and that FS may have an uphill struggle to regain it.
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Post by adrian77 on Aug 9, 2018 9:42:36 GMT
totally agree with last post - I mean how on earth can so much be lost by so few people with so little validated security having so little clue as to what they are doing. I hate to think just how much maintaining these repossessed developments,legal action etc is costing FS - granted we lenders will doubtless pay for it but it must be hammering their cash flow in the short term.
I still think one can make a positive return with FS but it needs a lot of time to do DD etc and would consist of avoiding at least 50% of their property loans. But I can't see this platform surviving unless it takes very swift and decisive action. I think I am right in saying the existing loans will essentially be ringfenced by the administrator if or when FS goes belly-up?
I had about 87 loans - this is now down to 29 as I have sold all the ones I can of this 29 2 are classed as unredeemed - there are not unredeemed they are defaulted in my book and this spin rubbish just annoys me and was one reason I am doing my FA league.
Of the remaining 27 there is 1 with a future redemption date which leaves 26 of these 26 there is one under a month late with leaves 25 of these 25 they are all over 2 months late with 14 over 6 months late
thus out of 87 loans there are 26 or 30% which in my book are defaulted and 14 which are grossly late
this is far too high and I have should got a better grip on my spending much earlier - am I worried that some of these loans are going to suffer mega losses and wipe out my interest to date - answers on a digital postcard...
I can already hear the Brexit excuse...
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Post by paulb on Aug 10, 2018 13:21:58 GMT
It appears the new "compliance manager", or whatever their title actually is, might not be quite as lax as the old staff - from a recent property update "The client has been informed that if payment is not received, the loan will be defaulted. We are conscious that this loan is 34 days overdue and are taking a dim view of this situation." - and no, there aren't any zeros missing on the lateness.
Paul.
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