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Post by df on Aug 11, 2018 20:52:40 GMT
Out of interest, who are you still invested with? FC is one of my core platforms. There maybe some very poor loans but the majority are OK giving me 7% which I'm happy with. I'd be very cautious...you may think you are getting 7% but likely you have a lot of 'late' and downgraded loans building up which will become future defaults. FC deliberately do not make this obvious to the casual investor. I would click sell and see how much of your loan book you are able to sell right now, knock 50% of the loans you can't sell (which is a fair estimate of future bad debts) off your interest received and see if you then still have a 7% return (very unlikely I would say). As for other platforms, Assetz Capital are now comfortably my biggest holding. You should get 7-8% there with all loans secured against real assets. Yes the percentage figure is misleading. When mine was showing 7+%, my losses were higher than earnings any my total money on the platform were decreasing every month without me depositing or withdrawing anything. When I hit sell button it appeared that about 20% is unsellable. AC has been my biggest holding for about 18 months and I have no plans to change it. I've made a big mistake investing in GBAA and GEIA, but apart from that AC works well for me.
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Post by ashtondav on Aug 12, 2018 17:44:09 GMT
I'd be very cautious...you may think you are getting 7% but likely you have a lot of 'late' and downgraded loans building up which will become future defaults. FC deliberately do not make this obvious to the casual investor. I would click sell and see how much of your loan book you are able to sell right now, knock 50% of the loans you can't sell (which is a fair estimate of future bad debts) off your interest received and see if you then still have a 7% return (very unlikely I would say). As for other platforms, Assetz Capital are now comfortably my biggest holding. You should get 7-8% there with all loans secured against real assets. Complete Bollo*cks!
The main fund covered by the PF is designed to deliver 6.25% (the GBBA2). The manual account, where you may get more is NOT covered by the PF.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Aug 12, 2018 19:14:21 GMT
Afaict nobody mentioned a PF, just that AC loans were Normally secured on real assets, unlike most of FCs loans which are not. Yes, you need to manually invest to get 7-8%.
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Post by Ace on Aug 12, 2018 20:16:20 GMT
Afaict nobody mentioned a PF, just that AC loans were Normally secured on real assets, unlike most of FCs loans which are not. Yes, you need to manually invest to get 7-8%. I'm currently averaging 8.47%, 8.51% and 8.88% on three different AC manual invest accounts. Haven't experienced any defaults yet, but it's fairly early days for me (started on 1st March this year). I feel that 7-8% is achievable.
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Post by bg on Aug 12, 2018 21:34:25 GMT
Complete Bollo*cks!
The main fund covered by the PF is designed to deliver 6.25% (the GBBA2). The manual account, where you may get more is NOT covered by the PF. And who mentioned a provision fund?
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Post by ashtondav on Aug 13, 2018 7:49:04 GMT
Ah, fair point. Sorry! But if there are problems AC is not the quickest at recovery.
On a more general point lending to SMEs is inherently risky. Historical financial performance can look good, current trading can look good but a major client can cancel an order and ruin is imminent. And most SMEs are dependent on a small number of large customers. We are at the end of a recovery cycle that started in 2009. Defaults will increase in the coming months and years.
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Post by jonathan on Aug 13, 2018 12:33:30 GMT
Was it the case the FC used to compensate for loans defaulting early? due to obvious mistakes in their vetting process? what was their reasoning for changing this policy?
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Post by blender on Aug 13, 2018 14:30:26 GMT
In the early years it was their practice to compensate lenders for any loans which failed to make a single payment, and then to take such recoveries as they could. It was never part of the T&Cs, nor tied to any particular reason for the default. It was once mentioned on their website as policy. However it was always ex gratia. In those days they relied on keeping the confidence of manual lenders. They stopped the practice, say, four years ago. They found they did not need to do it. Personally I think that the refusal to compensate for crappy scrappy (whose details I will not repeat) confirmed that in the future no loan would be refunded by FC. This just one small change of many which mark the transition from a p2p intermediary to a lending bank, where the investors are not supposed to take an interest in the individual loans.
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Post by benaj on Sept 4, 2019 9:12:56 GMT
This is another classic, 55827. Made two payments then no further payment. This is a small working capital loan around 20k, and the company in trading posted 90k profit on CH (05 Jul 2019)!!! FC recovery team is having trouble locating PGs' whereabouts. Accounts for a dormant company from 2016 plus another one year trading result are good enough for FC to approve the loan.
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Post by shanghaiscouse on Sept 4, 2019 9:52:24 GMT
Ah, fair point. Sorry! But if there are problems AC is not the quickest at recovery. On a more general point lending to SMEs is inherently risky. Historical financial performance can look good, current trading can look good but a major client can cancel an order and ruin is imminent. And most SMEs are dependent on a small number of large customers. We are at the end of a recovery cycle that started in 2009. Defaults will increase in the coming months and years. I'm sorry but this is not the case with most of the bad loans I am seeing. It is nothing to do with economic cycles, blah blah blah. It is a lack of common sense and diiligence in the lending process. I have one where they lent £350k to a business in Scotland that claimed to be doing TV repairs. I could not believe such businesses still existed, so dug into it. It operated out of a literal shack, I can see it on google streetview. Like a lean-to building. Why would anyone need £350k to do TV repairs? Surprise surprise it went into liquidation with all the money. This is NOT unusual. It is nothing to do with economic cycles. It is bad lending, pure and simple.
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Post by benaj on Sept 4, 2019 10:07:37 GMT
Ah, fair point. Sorry! But if there are problems AC is not the quickest at recovery. On a more general point lending to SMEs is inherently risky. Historical financial performance can look good, current trading can look good but a major client can cancel an order and ruin is imminent. And most SMEs are dependent on a small number of large customers. We are at the end of a recovery cycle that started in 2009. Defaults will increase in the coming months and years. I'm sorry but this is not the case with most of the bad loans I am seeing. It is nothing to do with economic cycles, blah blah blah. It is a lack of common sense and diiligence in the lending process. I have one where they lent £350k to a business in Scotland that claimed to be doing TV repairs. I could not believe such businesses still existed, so dug into it. It operated out of a literal shack, I can see it on google streetview. Like a lean-to building. Why would anyone need £350k to do TV repairs? Surprise surprise it went into liquidation with all the money. This is NOT unusual. It is nothing to do with economic cycles. It is bad lending, pure and simple. Sometimes I imagine even a bigger story that we are not supposed to know.
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Post by keitha on Sept 4, 2019 17:25:11 GMT
loan #62308 N*rth *ast Br*wing comp**y L*****D classic case of not checking Borrowed £79,500 in August 2018 at 10.9%, in July 2018 Credit score dropped from 60 to 40 In September the company put up for sale to try to cover it's debts and failed. Administrator appointed 26 June 2019 Administrator says, in 2014 directors setup a sidearm to business and spent 2-3 years working on it, during this time company lost £300,000 in turnover. Business in a precarious financial position ! September 2018 tried to find investment and couldn't, the company was put up for sale to try to cover it's debts and to get buyer. my calculation is that Unsecured creditors will get back about 15% 2 months after this is filed at CH we get the following update from FC The borrower has remained unresponsive and we are now looking at the possibility of instructing third party field agents to visit the business so we are able to establish a true refection on the business situation and see if we can help in any way. We will keep investors updated with any decisions and thank investors for heir patience.
you couldn't make that up "Help in any way" :- what lend them some more money, FC they have gone bust Equipment etc all being ( or been ) sold by administrator this update is a crock of .
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Post by shanghaiscouse on Sept 5, 2019 9:37:16 GMT
Keitha, that is a pretty normal story. Borrowers have got wise to FC and how easy it is to rip off. Scam artists up and down the land (well, the ones I am exposed to are from north Scotland to Devon) are taking the money and putting themselves into insolvency and the money always disappears, and FC NEVER take legal action because their focus is on the guarantor fulfilling their guarantee. I have one who took £65k, went into insolvency after 4 payments, nothing available for creditors, but he simply set up another company with basically the same name and continued trading from it. Its common.
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Post by keitha on Sept 5, 2019 17:04:39 GMT
MY argument with this one is any DD should have spotted company in trouble before lending.
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Post by benaj on Mar 3, 2020 16:08:10 GMT
Expansion/growth (53210) Risk A - borrowered 190k and didn't repay a single penny It seems to me one of the director has relocated abroad after receiving the loan. Despite FC sent third party field agents to visit the 'business', no update from the field agents. Still 0 recovery. According to Google, the director is now in India practicing General Adult Psychiatry. So, I guess the director has decided to expand into India instead of Manchester.
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