mynyddrob
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Post by mynyddrob on Aug 26, 2018 9:57:24 GMT
WORRIED SICK,
This outfit seems to be going the same way as most of the others, that is they take your money and don`t repay it !
When we started with this firm, nearly all of the loans repaid on or soon after due date , now , ALL of our due loans go straight into "OUT OF TERM / IN BREACH."
We have 29 loans with 15 LATE !! I have spoken to them just to be told " that`s the way it is "
I would be interested to know if I am unlucky or if other investors are in the same boat !. A very very worrying trend seems to be emerging.
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littleoldlady
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Post by littleoldlady on Aug 26, 2018 10:39:02 GMT
I have 8 out of 27 NPL. However I am not worried sick, because of the nature of the loans. On some other platforms the borrower is simply gambling with borrowed money on the basis that if his scheme fails to work he can just hand over the 'security' and walk away, or he can default on a project and negotiate a debt write off on the grounds that a half finished development is extremely difficult to sell. In the case of the majority of loans on LI the borrower will be reluctant to default. Valuations of residential property should be quite accurate and in most cases a repossession sale should at least be close to the loan amount.
However it is entirely possible that I am living in a fool's paradise and that we are indeed doomed. It's a risky area to invest in and nobody should invest cash that (s)he cannot afford to lose.
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Post by carol167 on Aug 26, 2018 12:00:36 GMT
Although I am left now with only the loans that are out of term/in breach (7 in total), I have already made a healthy profit over the 3 years even if I loose all 7 loans at 100%.
It's a question of perspective. Most of the 7 loans are 60% LTV or less so there's a good chance of high recovery amounts.
Unlike FundingSecure where I have yet to make *any* profit from 3 years of fairly hands on management of my funds.
I rate LendInvest quite highly, I liked their model and am only exiting due to their change away from seeking FCA approval.
Not having a second hand market is rather a negative too.
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pom
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Post by pom on Aug 26, 2018 16:16:07 GMT
I couldn't say offhand how many are late because really, what's the point in knowing? These type of loans will almost never pay back on the due date anyway and it's not like I can exit early. As/when a loss is declared I might start to think about it, but I won't "worry" about it unless it's rather a large one or there are signs of some failings in their recovery process, or maybe if a whole bunch come in at once....it's still not like I can do much about it til its done anyway.
If you're that worried about it stop putting new money in at least until some of them get resolved....and perhaps don't reinvest it on LI if the amounts concerned are making you worried sick - to me that is a sure sign you have overinvested in the platform or really aren't comfortable with the risks you're taking in general. Because when the economy hits the skids you'll have a lot more to worry about than loans being late. We all have different risk tolerances - I'm actually extremely risk averse, but the money I have invested happened to be cash I couldn't think what else to do with, I might start feeling very foolish if we have more Collaterals, or if a lot of defaults start turning into net losses, but it's not going to cause me much harm. If I was reliant on the cash for something else I doubt I'd be in p2p at all, and probably not the self-select sites.
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Post by cautious on Aug 27, 2018 18:17:04 GMT
80 'investments', 62 on schedule, 16 in breach, 2 in enforcement.
Not worried by platform.......still investing.
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rick24
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Post by rick24 on Aug 28, 2018 10:21:43 GMT
I have 29 on schedule, 8 out of term (= approx. 1 in 5 or 20%) and 1 in enforcement. My understanding is that this type of loan often needs to be extended so I would tend to regard the 1 in enforcement as the only default. I'm glad you raised the issue though as it made me take a look. I have tended to go for lower LTVs recently. Hopefully that will give me better cover.
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Post by p2ples on Aug 28, 2018 10:43:14 GMT
42 on schedule 13 out of term / in breach one enforcement. I’d be worried if the property market took a drastic downturn but at the moment I’m not overly concerned.
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bigfoot12
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Post by bigfoot12 on Aug 28, 2018 12:17:19 GMT
I've stopped reinvesting over six months to a year ago so now all my loans are in breach. I am not worried. So far I have received 100% of capital and interest with over 100 loans paying back. Over 40 of those overran, 18 for more than 3 months. I agree with pom, in that if you ( mynyddrob) are worried sick then you need to either do more research or stop investing in LendInvest and similar platforms. In fact you might want to consider avoiding all P2P.
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upland
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Post by upland on Aug 29, 2018 7:32:32 GMT
Personally I am not concerned too. I would like a bit higher return rate but have over 100 loans ongoing. I let LI worry about it all. The assets are usually fairly liquid and property transactions probably dont go smoothly so hiccups are expected.
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jsmill
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Post by jsmill on Aug 29, 2018 16:30:04 GMT
I am also comfortable remaining invested with Lendinvest. I have now had 75 loans successfully repay and zero that have moved to enforcement.
On the negative side the majority of loans (certainly those maturing in the last year) have gone past the initial expiry date and as has been pointed out on here there is no secondary market.
I think LI could do better at ongoing communication and initial detail on the featured properties. Rates are also comfortably below other self select platforms so they are never going to receive my largest allocation. They are also not a true p2p platform at all but an alternative fund structure. No issue with that model from my perspective given that the LI balance sheet.
Key for me is that, so far at least, the capital losses which are the real downside risk of P2P platforms have not been an issue with LI (contrast that with Lendy/MT for example). They have also proved themselves capable of generating sufficient volumes of new loan business over the medium term (again unlike MT/ABL for example).
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Post by brightspark on Sept 7, 2018 20:44:46 GMT
WORRIED SICK, This outfit seems to be going the same way as most of the others, that is they take your money and don`t repay it ! When we started with this firm, nearly all of the loans repaid on or soon after due date , now , ALL of our due loans go straight into "OUT OF TERM / IN BREACH." We have 29 loans with 15 LATE !! I have spoken to them just to be told " that`s the way it is " I would be interested to know if I am unlucky or if other investors are in the same boat !. A very very worrying trend seems to be emerging. Worrying never does any good. Learn from your experience. In your case I would suggest a lending pause via the platform for 3 to 6 months whilst at least some of the wayward loans are resolved. If you then decide to invest further do as much dd as is reasonably practical and diversify your money amongst more smaller loans. Never invest any more in any loan than you can afford to lose. Not rocket science. Bear in mind this platform is supposed to be for sophisticated investors who amongst other things are used to playing a long game in a proportion of their loans. Me I deemed myself not a sophisticated investor and have had to run down my Lendinvest portfolio. Currently I have three residual loans - 2 in breach of terms and one in Administration. As others have said all is not lost and I see no reason not to hope that most will be recovered unlike on some other platforms I could name where things are positively awful.
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benaj
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Post by benaj on Sept 7, 2018 21:09:21 GMT
I started with LendInvest around in Oct 2016.
So far, 17 loans have been fully repaid. Currently, I have 23 active loans, 19 on schedule and 4 out of breach. 0 capital losses yet.
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littleoldlady
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Post by littleoldlady on Sept 10, 2018 12:20:36 GMT
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upland
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Post by upland on Sept 17, 2018 13:44:04 GMT
Now FSCS protected !!!
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keith
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Post by keith on Sept 17, 2018 14:52:17 GMT
Great stuff. Having moved away from risky to “less” risky loans, platform risk has crept up my list of concerns and this is a great step forward
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