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Post by jevans4949 on Sept 21, 2018 2:53:54 GMT
I normally use Thunderbird email client; my main email account is with AOL. AOL has subtly changed its process in the last few months in terms of what it deems to be spam, and it's now not possible to opt out of spam filtering. The last couple of Surveymonkey vote messages sent to me were shifted straight into the "Deleted" folder. I tried to move them back to "Inbox", but they were immediately kicked back into "Deleted". Eventually I moved them into the Archive folders on my own machine, and worked them from there. Question is: have any others using Oath group email experienced this? Does anybody know of a solution? chris: has anybody else reported this, or is it just me that the Internet hates? |
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Post by chris on Sept 21, 2018 7:56:04 GMT
jevans4949 - only report I've heard of, but they may not have filtered through to me as there's not much we could do.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 21, 2018 14:06:08 GMT
Gosh, I abandoned AOL back when they were still sending out free floppy disks .. but if you can't be bothered to acquire your own domain, or a gmail address, you could always consider downloading everything using POP3 (I assume you're on IMAP or something like it). I'm a luddite .. I like my emails stored on hardware under my control, even if that means I wind up with multiple copies (I synch T'bird profiles to laptops and other desktops, if they don't download copies themselves). Bit of a pain on PAYG phones, but otherwise no issues.
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Post by ceejay on Sept 21, 2018 14:27:29 GMT
Gosh, I abandoned AOL back when they were still sending out free floppy disks .. but if you can't be bothered to acquire your own domain, or a gmail address, you could always consider downloading everything using POP3 (I assume you're on IMAP or something like it). I'm a luddite .. I like my emails stored on hardware under my control, even if that means I wind up with multiple copies (I synch T'bird profiles to laptops and other desktops, if they don't download copies themselves). Bit of a pain on PAYG phones, but otherwise no issues. Using your own domain is great for receiving emails - make your own decisions about how to handle spam. It's not so good going the other way, though - the big ESPs are quite prone to silently rejecting emails from domains they don't like the look of, which is especially likely if you are using a shared hosting service that puts you on the same IP address as someone dodgy.
I have tried using a mix-and-match approach - different addresses for incoming and outgoing - but that has got me into trouble with FS companies who didn't like receiving emails from an address other than the one they had registered!
That said, I'm not sure it's entirely true what chris said - there may be things they can do to reduce the probability of this happening... it's increasingly a problem for me in a number of different contexts. For example, I find most of AC's emails get marked as spam by Outlook, even though I keep telling Outlook it's not.
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Post by iren on Sept 21, 2018 18:29:11 GMT
Much of bigtech has an attitude that it knows best and provides minimal options.
I’d recommend secure and customer focussed email services, ProtonMail or Tutanota.
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Post by dc848 on Sept 21, 2018 19:24:45 GMT
Much of bigtech has an attitude that it knows best and provides minimal options. I’d recommend secure and customer focussed email services, ProtonMail or Tutanota. In July 2018, ProtonMail reported it was under renewed DDoS attacks, with CEO Andy Yen stating that the attackers had been paid by an unknown party to launch the attacks.
No, thankyou.
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Post by iren on Sept 22, 2018 15:32:11 GMT
Much of bigtech has an attitude that it knows best and provides minimal options. I’d recommend secure and customer focussed email services, ProtonMail or Tutanota. In July 2018, ProtonMail reported it was under renewed DDoS attacks, with CEO Andy Yen stating that the attackers had been paid by an unknown party to launch the attacks.
No, thankyou.
Proton had about 3 hours of intermittent service one evening, as I remember, but lost no data. Even if they did lose data, the bulk would be useless to anyone else as it is held in deep encryption. By contrast, Oath group brands have suffered multiple data breaches, including Yahoo losing my data, leading to the misuse of it in “spoof” emails to third parties.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 23, 2018 15:15:35 GMT
Gosh, I abandoned AOL back when they were still sending out free floppy disks .. but if you can't be bothered to acquire your own domain, or a gmail address, you could always consider downloading everything using POP3 (I assume you're on IMAP or something like it). I'm a luddite .. I like my emails stored on hardware under my control, even if that means I wind up with multiple copies (I synch T'bird profiles to laptops and other desktops, if they don't download copies themselves). Bit of a pain on PAYG phones, but otherwise no issues. Using your own domain is great for receiving emails - make your own decisions about how to handle spam. It's not so good going the other way, though - the big ESPs are quite prone to silently rejecting emails from domains they don't like the look of, which is especially likely if you are using a shared hosting service that puts you on the same IP address as someone dodgy.
I have tried using a mix-and-match approach - different addresses for incoming and outgoing - but that has got me into trouble with FS companies who didn't like receiving emails from an address other than the one they had registered!
That said, I'm not sure it's entirely true what chris said - there may be things they can do to reduce the probability of this happening... it's increasingly a problem for me in a number of different contexts. For example, I find most of AC's emails get marked as spam by Outlook, even though I keep telling Outlook it's not. I think that depends on whether you are using your own smtp server or not. For most individuals "not" would be far, far easier but that doesn't mean you have to use someone else's domain. I use my own domain but set my mx records to that of google so I'm using their service for email but in the future I could simply point them elsewhere if I wanted to. Something like this: support.google.com/a/answer/33915?hl=enThe main advantage is that if I do change email provider, I don't need to change email address and tell a gazillion people and companies about it.
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Post by vaelin on Sept 25, 2018 6:33:05 GMT
Much of bigtech has an attitude that it knows best and provides minimal options. I’d recommend secure and customer focussed email services, ProtonMail or Tutanota. In July 2018, ProtonMail reported it was under renewed DDoS attacks, with CEO Andy Yen stating that the attackers had been paid by an unknown party to launch the attacks.
No, thankyou.
Every large website is under constant attack, whether it be DDoS or something else.
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