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Post by BenAssetzExchange on May 20, 2022 6:35:21 GMT
Can anyone else see this property under the past investments tab? Even applying filters which I sometimes have to do to get the site to wake up gives nothing. If you click on link provided by Ben are there any numbers that arent zero (not the no buy price bug as its the same with sell price)? Contracts are there, I was looking for the purchase & cost breakdown but I think that was the original site Ace Visible to me under past investments tab (I wasn't invested in it) but as you say the original purchase price and FCC are showing as zero in the banner headline. Looking at the 'Income, Expenses and Contingency Breakdown' (still all there) the opening amount was £195,957 which could represent a net purchase price of £180,000 + £15,957 FCC. Then looking at the updates the sale price was definitely £180,000. So bought for less than RICS (which was £195,000 but £185,000 for a quick sale) and sold for the same price. Of course it's gross prices that matter in this case so investors must have lost the FCC costs paid on acquisition plus paid agent's & solicitor's fees (£3K) out of the sale price adding to the loss. I'm not sure this is much different from anyone buying a house and selling it 2 years later when house prices may not have moved up enough to recoup the costs of buying and selling. (On the other hand the HPI, still showing, is +25%). Maybe the investors at the time would have done better to vote to rent it out and sell at a later date - hindsight! Worth noting that the current sale going through for #118 (also a previous show home) will give a capital gain for those who invested at the purchase price with the proviso of the 3% per annum cap others have pointed out. Yes, this is exactly what happened. If you look at 'Income, Expenses and Contingency' you can see the cashflows as you describe. We are trying to mirror what would happen in a traditional property purchase. Agree, that with hindsight investors may have been better to hang on, we have seen that prices are up significantly on the other Avant homes we have since received offers on but at the time who knew what was going to happen. Of course as mentioned this decision was taken by way of a lender vote.
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Post by capricorn on May 20, 2022 11:48:58 GMT
Visible to me under past investments tab (I wasn't invested in it) but as you say the original purchase price and FCC are showing as zero in the banner headline. Looking at the 'Income, Expenses and Contingency Breakdown' (still all there) the opening amount was £195,957 which could represent a net purchase price of £180,000 + £15,957 FCC. Then looking at the updates the sale price was definitely £180,000. So bought for less than RICS (which was £195,000 but £185,000 for a quick sale) and sold for the same price. Of course it's gross prices that matter in this case so investors must have lost the FCC costs paid on acquisition plus paid agent's & solicitor's fees (£3K) out of the sale price adding to the loss. I'm not sure this is much different from anyone buying a house and selling it 2 years later when house prices may not have moved up enough to recoup the costs of buying and selling. (On the other hand the HPI, still showing, is +25%). Maybe the investors at the time would have done better to vote to rent it out and sell at a later date - hindsight! Worth noting that the current sale going through for #118 (also a previous show home) will give a capital gain for those who invested at the purchase price with the proviso of the 3% per annum cap others have pointed out. Yes, this is exactly what happened. If you look at 'Income, Expenses and Contingency' you can see the cashflows as you describe. We are trying to mirror what would happen in a traditional property purchase. Agree, that with hindsight investors may have been better to hang on, we have seen that prices are up significantly on the other Avant homes we have since received offers on but at the time who knew what was going to happen. Of course as mentioned this decision was taken by way of a lender vote. Can you clarify please, BenAssetzExchange, how the HPI figure works for sold properties in the Past Investments tab i.e. does the figure just keep changing over time as if the property was still on the live exchange or is the figure frozen at the moment of sale? (Hopefully the latter for anyone trying to do an analysis of a historic sale).
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Post by BenAssetzExchange on May 20, 2022 13:57:49 GMT
Yes, this is exactly what happened. If you look at 'Income, Expenses and Contingency' you can see the cashflows as you describe. We are trying to mirror what would happen in a traditional property purchase. Agree, that with hindsight investors may have been better to hang on, we have seen that prices are up significantly on the other Avant homes we have since received offers on but at the time who knew what was going to happen. Of course as mentioned this decision was taken by way of a lender vote. Can you clarify please, BenAssetzExchange, how the HPI figure works for sold properties in the Past Investments tab i.e. does the figure just keep changing over time as if the property was still on the live exchange or is the figure frozen at the moment of sale? (Hopefully the latter for anyone trying to do an analysis of a historic sale). Currently the HPI figure show the percentage change in the house price since the property was purchased (up to the latest available data). So the data will keep changing as new data is released. This is something we could look at changing. For the property in question, the average house price for detached homes in County Durham were £166,865 when the property was purchased. When the sale was agreed this had increased to £179,153 when the sale was agreed and is currently £209,695.
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Post by ton27 on Aug 29, 2022 11:41:11 GMT
There is now a little history on "matured" loans. My experience is: Loan 1 - a capital loss (and remains a loss even after interest/distributions) in spite of the HPI being 25%. Loan 2 - a capital gain of c7.5% after income of c.5.5%. The HPI was 29%
Interim conclusion and happy to let it run for a while: OK for lenders (but nothing to get excited about) and good for the platform.
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Post by BenAssetzExchange on Aug 30, 2022 6:12:48 GMT
There is now a little history on "matured" loans. My experience is: Loan 1 - a capital loss (and remains a loss even after interest/distributions) in spite of the HPI being 25%. When lenders voted to sell this property in June 2020, the HPI for detached houses in County Durham had fallen by 2.4% from when the property was bought a year earlier. The HPI change shown on the past investments page is the change in HPI from purchase date to now. This number should really be removed.
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Post by oatibiscuit on Mar 5, 2023 13:30:11 GMT
Ben, please could we get a health check on the platform?
It doesn't look like anything is getting posted to the blog, so hard to know what's going on at a glance.
- Inflows / outflows - What is the rate of sale from premium investors to regular investors? - No. of investors - is there any growth? Are you trying to grow or still waiting for the right time for a marketing drive? - Liquidity metrics on secondary market - Pipeline - Self sufficiency / profitability of platform
For me I'd be happy to invest a decent chunk of cash if I can be convinced that the platform has some liveblood flowing through it, with an optmistic picture on future liquidity. As it stands I'm not really getting that vibe, am I wrong?
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Post by p2pfan on Mar 5, 2023 18:08:17 GMT
Ben, please could we get a health check on the platform?
It doesn't look like anything is getting posted to the blog, so hard to know what's going on at a glance.
- Inflows / outflows - What is the rate of sale from premium investors to regular investors? - No. of investors - is there any growth? Are you trying to grow or still waiting for the right time for a marketing drive? - Liquidity metrics on secondary market - Pipeline - Self sufficiency / profitability of platform
For me I'd be happy to invest a decent chunk of cash if I can be convinced that the platform has some liveblood flowing through it, with an optmistic picture on future liquidity. As it stands I'm not really getting that vibe, am I wrong?
Don't forget that Assetz Exchange is the very same gang as Assetz Capital. Same company. Same boss, Stuart "Big Shiny Bentley" Law. You may see his cheesy grin here on the Assetz website. Since the day he was born, Stuart Law was told by his parents that whatever he wanted would always become 'The Law'. Therefore, he sees no wrong in treating lenders terribly as and when he wishes, depending on which side of the bed he gets up from on a particular morning. Read the last several reviews from Assetz lenders/investors here. They ALL rate Assetz 1 out of 5 stars! For instance, here is the latest review: "Little more than a bunch of crooks with no thought or consideration for the loyal investors who have helped keep them going over the years! Would not recommend anybody has anything to do with this company." Don't say you weren't warned, when it all ends in tears!
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Post by eeyore on Mar 6, 2023 11:13:25 GMT
oatibiscuitAs an investor in AE loans (several tens of thousands £££), I share the doubts and concerns you and p2pfan have expressed. In the last year, I have become much more selective in the choice of loans and I no longer re-invest interest. I had a long phone conversation with a senior member of the AE management team a couple of weeks ago - I won't quote what he told me but these are the impressions I was left with: - AE is managed on a day-to-day basis completely separately from AC. There is very little (zero?) sharing between the two.
- AE has a very different business model to AC - the loans and their structure are radically different.
- AE is 100% retail lenders (no institutional lenders) and there are no plans to change that.
- AE management are embarrassed by the actions taken by AC and are worried by the impact of the backlash on AE's prospects, for example the drop in the "value" of AE loans on the secondary market last year immediately after AC's announcements.
I did outline the concerns which the retail investors have about AE whilst AE shares the same chairman and much of the same shareholders as AC, making the same points as in p2pfan's post above. I also commented on the other P2P platforms which have got into difficulties recently and the questionable integrity of the leadership of those platforms. There are alternatives to P2P retail platforms - there are several investment trusts whose shares you can buy on the stock exchange which invest in similar loans and which offer better dividend returns that most P2P platforms. There is still a high level of risk to your capital but because investment trusts are regulated under different rules and are considerably larger than P2P platforms, you may feel more comfortable with the risks. Only AE can answer your questions about the financial situation, other than that the pipeline for new loans is displayed on the " Pipeline" page in the " Exchange" section on the AE web-site for lenders. (Note the appearance of loans at >7%!) I suggest that if you are still interested in AE, you ring them and ask one of their management team to call you - I've always been impressed by their candour.
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Post by BenAssetzExchange on Mar 6, 2023 11:25:18 GMT
Ben, please could we get a health check on the platform?
It doesn't look like anything is getting posted to the blog, so hard to know what's going on at a glance.
- Inflows / outflows - What is the rate of sale from premium investors to regular investors? - No. of investors - is there any growth? Are you trying to grow or still waiting for the right time for a marketing drive? - Liquidity metrics on secondary market - Pipeline - Self sufficiency / profitability of platform
For me I'd be happy to invest a decent chunk of cash if I can be convinced that the platform has some liveblood flowing through it, with an optmistic picture on future liquidity. As it stands I'm not really getting that vibe, am I wrong?
Hi oatibiscuit, thanks for your interest in the platform. Much of what you are asking we cover in our monthly newsletters if you sign up to our mailing list. There is a detailed pipeline available on our website if you sign up (there is no obligation to invest) and we also discuss the pipeline in more detail in the newsletters I mentioned. We continue to see healthy deposits onto the platform and new users sign up, if you email helpdesk@assetzexchange.co.uk I am happy to provide more information in this regard and answer any other questions you may have. On the two latest properties we launched (yielding 6.3% net to investors) the underwriters have sold down on average 45% of their holdings. Having said that a lot of them are happy to hold a significant part of their investment for the long term and are not looking to sell. Indeed one of the properties actually rose in price last week. We appreciate the state of the market at the moment and are now targeting higher yielding properties. We have explained the situation to our Partners (ie the charities/housing associations we lease properties to) and they understand that rising interest rates impact demand for our product and they are agreeing to pay higher rent as a consequence. We are looking at yields of 6.5-8% on new properties now compared to 5-6% previously. We are also targeting smaller properties to improve liquidity. We are looking at undertaking a full overhaul and rebrand of the site including a possible name change. This will then feed through to increased marketing activities but we are also working on a number of targeted initiatives which are bearing fruit right now. We are also pleased that the majority of new sign ups continue to come by word of mouth from happy investors and we see that as the best way to grow. Regarding profitability, we made a profit in financial year 2021/22 (which ended 31 October 2022) and we also posted a small profit in Q1 2022/23. Our overheads are deliberately low and we see sustainability of the platform as our top priority.
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Post by BenAssetzExchange on Mar 6, 2023 13:06:56 GMT
Ben, please could we get a health check on the platform? It doesn't look like anything is getting posted to the blog, so hard to know what's going on at a glance. - Inflows / outflows - What is the rate of sale from premium investors to regular investors? - No. of investors - is there any growth? Are you trying to grow or still waiting for the right time for a marketing drive? - Liquidity metrics on secondary market - Pipeline - Self sufficiency / profitability of platform
For me I'd be happy to invest a decent chunk of cash if I can be convinced that the platform has some liveblood flowing through it, with an optmistic picture on future liquidity. As it stands I'm not really getting that vibe, am I wrong?
Don't forget that Assetz Exchange is the very same gang as Assetz Capital. Same company. Same boss, Stuart "Big Shiny Bentley" Law. You may see his cheesy grin here on the Assetz website. Since the day he was born, Stuart Law was told by his parents that whatever he wanted would always become 'The Law'. Therefore, he sees no wrong in treating lenders terribly as and when he wishes, depending on which side of the bed he gets up from on a particular morning. Read the last several reviews from Assetz lenders/investors here. They ALL rate Assetz 1 out of 5 stars! For instance, here is the latest review: "Little more than a bunch of crooks with no thought or consideration for the loyal investors who have helped keep them going over the years! Would not recommend anybody has anything to do with this company." Don't say you weren't warned, when it all ends in tears! I can understand your anger and frustrations with AC but I do have to point out AE is not the same company. We are a stand alone company with a separate FCA registration. Yes, Stuart is AE’s Chairman but he is not employed by the company and is not involved with day to day operation/management. He certainly does not dictate what goes on. There is no other overlap whatsoever. Our recent Trustpilot reviews are all 5*. We are happy to engage with anyone who has a legitimate gripe with us.
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Post by p2pfan on Mar 6, 2023 13:28:56 GMT
Don't forget that Assetz Exchange is the very same gang as Assetz Capital. Same company. Same boss, Stuart "Big Shiny Bentley" Law. You may see his cheesy grin here on the Assetz website. Since the day he was born, Stuart Law was told by his parents that whatever he wanted would always become 'The Law'. Therefore, he sees no wrong in treating lenders terribly as and when he wishes, depending on which side of the bed he gets up from on a particular morning. Read the last several reviews from Assetz lenders/investors here. They ALL rate Assetz 1 out of 5 stars! For instance, here is the latest review: "Little more than a bunch of crooks with no thought or consideration for the loyal investors who have helped keep them going over the years! Would not recommend anybody has anything to do with this company." Don't say you weren't warned, when it all ends in tears! I can understand your anger and frustrations with AC but I do have to point out AE is not the same company. We are a stand alone company with a separate FCA registration. Yes, Stuart is AE’s Chairman but he is not employed by the company and is not involved with day to day operation/management. He certainly does not dictate what goes on. There is no other overlap whatsoever. Our recent Trustpilot reviews are all 5*. We are happy to engage with anyone who has a legitimate gripe with us. I appreciate what you are saying, but, with all due respect, with heard all these platitudes about Assetz Capital time and again over the years and then you know what happened. Let's look at the evidence: you get your monthly salary by being a henchman of Stuart Law. If you don't please him and protect his interests, he shoves you out of the door and you get to go home on 129 bus . . . he won't give you a lift in his Bentley. Stuart Law is very much at the helm of Assetz. Here is his profile and picture on your website. He is described there as your "CEO" in multiple places.This "CEO" - and "Chairman" of yours, as you title him - is the same boss of Assetz Exchange who has been proven to have lied repeatedly. Here is an except from the CapitalStackers expose of Assetz's dubious behaviour and business model: "Don’t forget, just two weeks before announcing Assetz’ ditching of retail investors, Mr. Law assured us all that “institutional demand will always be in addition to retail investment origination.” i.e. we’ll only let the financial big boys in once the ordinary investors have had their fill. So, in the space of the average skiing holiday, Assetz went from undying love for Mrs. Miggins to pushing her out into the snow." In the very same way, you are obviously claiming you care about retail investors but your colleague Stuart Law has a proven track-record of stabbing them in the back as and when it suits his needs. You have got a vested interest to try to save your business, as have many posters here on these forums who are shareholders and investors in Assetz. However, for me, my concern is the investors who may have dirty done on them in due course, as per all the distressed and angry reviews from Assetz investors on these very forums and here on Trustpilot e.g. "ASSETZ STRIPPING Seemed quite decent early on, but since the recent interest rate increases, they have become more greedy and are making investors suffer as a result while they line their pockets, what a surprise. Words like cheated and conned spring to mind. Date of experience: January 04, 2023"
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Post by BenAssetzExchange on Mar 6, 2023 13:47:35 GMT
I can understand your anger and frustrations with AC but I do have to point out AE is not the same company. We are a stand alone company with a separate FCA registration. Yes, Stuart is AE’s Chairman but he is not employed by the company and is not involved with day to day operation/management. He certainly does not dictate what goes on. There is no other overlap whatsoever. Our recent Trustpilot reviews are all 5*. We are happy to engage with anyone who has a legitimate gripe with us. I appreciate what you are saying, but, with all due respect, with heard all these platitudes about Assetz Capital time and again over the years and then you know what happened. Let's look at the evidence: you get your monthly salary by being a henchman of Stuart Law. If you don't please him and protect his interests, he shoves you out of the door and you get to go home on 129 bus . . . he won't give you a lift in his Bentley. Stuart Law is very much at the helm of Assetz. Here is his profile and picture on your website. He is described there as your "CEO" in multiple places.This "CEO" - and "Chairman" of yours, as you title him - is the same boss of Assetz Exchange who has been proven to have lied repeatedly. Here is an except from the CapitalStackers expose of Assetz's dubious behaviour and business model: "Don’t forget, just two weeks before announcing Assetz’ ditching of retail investors, Mr. Law assured us all that “institutional demand will always be in addition to retail investment origination.” i.e. we’ll only let the financial big boys in once the ordinary investors have had their fill. So, in the space of the average skiing holiday, Assetz went from undying love for Mrs. Miggins to pushing her out into the snow." In the very same way, you are obviously claiming you care about retail investors but your colleague Stuart Law has a proven track-record of stabbing them in the back as and when it suits his needs. You have got a vested interest to try to save your business, as have many posters here on these forums who are shareholders and investors in Assetz. However, for me, my concern is the investors who may have dirty done on them in due course, as per all the distressed and angry reviews from Assetz investors on these very forums and here on Trustpilot e.g. "ASSETZ STRIPPING Seemed quite decent early on, but since the recent interest rate increases, they have become more greedy and are making investors suffer as a result while they line their pockets, what a surprise. Words like cheated and conned spring to mind. Date of experience: January 04, 2023" As I said I do understand your frustrations but I do not want to get into a discussion of individuals. I think it would be beneficial if we could arrange a call to discuss this. I would like to point out a couple of things on this forum however. The website mentioned in the post above is not our website. Our website is www.assetzexchange.co.uk. Our CEO is Peter Read and he has been since the inception of the company. Peter would be more than happy to discuss the whole situation with you. Please email a contact number to helpdesk@assetxechange.co.uk and he will call you immediately.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Mar 6, 2023 14:02:38 GMT
I appreciate what you are saying, but, with all due respect, with heard all these platitudes about Assetz Capital time and again over the years and then you know what happened. Let's look at the evidence: you get your monthly salary by being a henchman of Stuart Law. If you don't please him and protect his interests, he shoves you out of the door and you get to go home on 129 bus . . . he won't give you a lift in his Bentley. Stuart Law is very much at the helm of Assetz. Here is his profile and picture on your website. He is described there as your "CEO" in multiple places.This "CEO" - and "Chairman" of yours, as you title him - is the same boss of Assetz Exchange who has been proven to have lied repeatedly. Here is an except from the CapitalStackers expose of Assetz's dubious behaviour and business model: "Don’t forget, just two weeks before announcing Assetz’ ditching of retail investors, Mr. Law assured us all that “institutional demand will always be in addition to retail investment origination.” i.e. we’ll only let the financial big boys in once the ordinary investors have had their fill. So, in the space of the average skiing holiday, Assetz went from undying love for Mrs. Miggins to pushing her out into the snow." In the very same way, you are obviously claiming you care about retail investors but your colleague Stuart Law has a proven track-record of stabbing them in the back as and when it suits his needs. You have got a vested interest to try to save your business, as have many posters here on these forums who are shareholders and investors in Assetz. However, for me, my concern is the investors who may have dirty done on them in due course, as per all the distressed and angry reviews from Assetz investors on these very forums and here on Trustpilot e.g. "ASSETZ STRIPPING Seemed quite decent early on, but since the recent interest rate increases, they have become more greedy and are making investors suffer as a result while they line their pockets, what a surprise. Words like cheated and conned spring to mind. Date of experience: January 04, 2023" As I said I do understand your frustrations but I do not want to get into a discussion of individuals. I think it would be beneficial if we could arrange a call to discuss this. Our CEO is Peter Read and he has been since the inception of the company. Peter would be more than happy to discuss the whole situation with you. Please email a contact number to helpdesk@assetxechange.co.uk and he will call you immediately. I think a lot of readers might like you to continue here.
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 6, 2023 14:19:41 GMT
I would be nice if we didnt drive another rep willing to engage off the forum. Cant be certain but I have feeling Ben has had his own frustrations with P2P platforms, probably a fellow traveller even if he has switched to the 'dark side' Edit think the email should be helpdesk@assetzexchange.co.uk
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Post by firedog on Mar 6, 2023 15:57:47 GMT
I'm reassured when those at the helm of P2P companies are willing to come here and engage with investors and would-be investors. It's when they stop bothering that it's time to worry.
I've always AC and AE as two different companies – even if they have the same unpalatable chair and similar names – and when I shifted money out of AC a year or so ago, it went to Assetz Exchange, which seemed to me to have a far more understandable business proposition. Still a happy customer despite the capital valuation declines.
With the conflation of "Assetz" and "Assetz Exchange" through, it's certainly a good idea to consider a name change.
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