sqh
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Post by sqh on Oct 14, 2018 20:52:56 GMT
There are currently 10 loans on the SM offering over 20%. The top 3 are over 22%, with a first legal charge on property and 65% LTV's. Normally, P2P lenders would grab these if they were tax free. Well on FS they are tax-free if you have an IFISA.
I opened an IFISA with FS 18 months ago and transferred-in old Cash ISA's, but it's now full of overdue loans or near overdue loans. Has everyone else got the same problem or are there other reasons for relatively safe loans available at these rates ?
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Post by sarahcount on Oct 14, 2018 21:42:20 GMT
ISA lenders may well be fully invested now. We are halfway through the tax year so April investors would be invested by now while it is too soon to see any rush of funds before the tax year ends.
A bigger issue may well be that rates of 20%+ can be illusory and depend on loans renewing on time.
If all goes to plan there's money to be made but I certainly wouldn't want to be picking up random loans with 32 days to run for a 1% discount unless they were loans that I especially wanted anyway.
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Post by mullet on Oct 14, 2018 21:57:21 GMT
The rates of 20%+ are an absolutely meaningless number - Assuming the loan replays/defaults on time (if only!!), most of these loans have not much more than 30 days left, so you are actually getting a 2%ish return and taking all the risk. Over such a short period of time it is more of a bet than a investment. - If the loan drags on beyond the 6 months then the 20% will tend towards the original interest rate over time
At no stage do you actually get a 20% return over the course of a year
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sqh
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Post by sqh on Oct 14, 2018 22:22:43 GMT
The rates of 20%+ are an absolutely meaningless number - Assuming the loan replays/defaults on time (if only!!), most of these loans have not much more than 30 days left, so you are actually getting a 2%ish return and taking all the risk. Over such a short period of time it is more of a bet than a investment. - If the loan drags on beyond the 6 months then the 20% will tend towards the original interest rate over time At no stage do you actually get a 20% return over the course of a year We all remember the loans that drag on past their renewal date, but the vast majority do renew on time, or within a few weeks.
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Post by technik on Oct 15, 2018 8:10:35 GMT
We all remember the loans that drag on past their renewal date, but the vast majority do renew on time, or within a few weeks. Imagine it's a combination of factors. Those being sold at high discount are more likely to be the ones with concerns over them, even if whatever majority you mention do get refreshed within a reasonable timeframe. But every additional day over the 180 will have a disproportionate effect on that 20% figure which is why some are saying they are meaningless (unless loans were renewed/closed far more precisely than we've ever seen from FS). As others have said, full IFISAs due to time of year, but also yes, a lot of people probably blocked up with overdues (certainly on this forum) or those that aren't are holding back or have invested elsewhere until they are happy to return to FS. Some of course still happily using SM and investing lots but conservative sentiment on here does indicate not as many longer term members are.
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Post by jj on Oct 15, 2018 9:17:26 GMT
Remember it is only that rate if it ends on the date its supposed to.
And when does it ever?
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Post by Godanubis on Oct 17, 2018 0:06:10 GMT
The rates of 20%+ are an absolutely meaningless number - Assuming the loan replays/defaults on time (if only!!), most of these loans have not much more than 30 days left, so you are actually getting a 2%ish return and taking all the risk. Over such a short period of time it is more of a bet than a investment. - If the loan drags on beyond the 6 months then the 20% will tend towards the original interest rate over time At no stage do you actually get a 20% return over the course of a year I disagree if you have a small amount £5000 or less you can make over 20% if you aggressively manage it rather than just buying near end discounted loans. If you are very careful on loans you hold. 1% of capital takes a long time to get down to normal rate as it is only the interest on the interest bought you are loosing.
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Post by trium on Oct 17, 2018 0:33:55 GMT
My very first loan on FS, when I didn't know any better, was a discounted SM with 31 days to go. It has now been active 371 days. I have three more at 300+ days. I don't do that any more.
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Post by Godanubis on Oct 17, 2018 1:03:07 GMT
My very first loan on FS, when I didn't know any better, was a discounted SM with 31 days to go. It has now been active 371 days. I have three more at 300+ days. I don't do that any more. Yes it can be confusing at first. Most learn quickly. The increase in returns from those paying nearly on time usually makes up for the others provided you diversified and keep individual investments low % of capital <1%
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Post by benaj on Oct 17, 2018 12:41:59 GMT
I don't have IFISA with FS, but I don't mind share my stats.
As today, I have active 32 loans over 200+ days out of 115. Since I started "investing" on FS, I have 166 loans completed and repaid.
Out of the 166 completed loans, the longest one was repaid after 391 days with interest. Also 1 loan was recovered with interest out of 3 unredeemed loans. I still have 2 loans as unredeemed.
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