invester
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Post by invester on Oct 29, 2018 16:10:16 GMT
I think they know the game is up. If they got rid of the loanbook, that leaves them with Lendy Wealth, but who in their right mind would invest there? The same thing could happen to them a few years down the line.
However, I don't think it is selling the entire loan book but rather getting in some lenders that might offer a quick settlement of some loans. Something like Wolverhampton could be refinanced at 50% immediately without the hassles of going through legals, and also bypasses the voting mechanism that they set up, as it seems unlikely that the votes would go for such a big haircut and would prefer enforcing security.
Ultimately I think is all about Lendy preserving their financial position before they run out of money altogether and the losers will be the investors.
In the long-term, where does that leave them? It seems almost certain that this is the beginning of the end, the question is whether we will have a soft or hard landing.
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Post by copacetic on Oct 29, 2018 16:12:29 GMT
This is interesting but how would it work in practice? Lendy don't own the loan parts so presumably they could only sell with the agreement of us lenders. If they wanted to sell a particular loan to a distressed assets fund could a majority of lenders in favour of doing so force the sale? I'm assuming a fund wouldn't want to buy 56.7% of a loan and rank pari-passu with the rest of the p2p lenders who don't want to sell.
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Post by jeremy12 on Oct 29, 2018 16:34:07 GMT
AFAIK Lendy reserves the right to ask lenders to vote on a matter and then do what Lendy wants anyway.
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Post by Garage246 on Oct 29, 2018 16:47:58 GMT
I think there is every possibility that they can sell the loan book or parts of it below par under the T&Cs that they have with investors - they could justify that a refinancing of the underlying loan is the best way to get some money back to investors. As previously pointed out, even if they undertake a vote, they don't have to stick to it. I would imagine the recent departures, company loan with charge against property is all part of positioning for them to get out. I only hope that someone like the FCA can ensure that investors are not shafted in the process, although I doubt they can/will do much until after the event.
I think some of the loans have decent prospects of getting full capital back, but some clearly do not. The problem is that once the loan is discharged and Lendy have pulled out, there is no incentive for anyone to pursue the residual losses against the borrowers through the courts for the benefits of the lenders - the new owners of the loans won't do this. I presume that selling the loan book could still mean that loans are sold at differing discounts depending on the quality of the underlying security. But selling a distressed loan is not going to raise a lot. What's the betting that the discretionary provision fund also disappears and isn't put into the pot.
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Post by mrclondon on Oct 29, 2018 17:01:33 GMT
Lendy Support I hope you appreciate that this report in the FT today hard on the heels of the recent resignations by a number of senior employees has the potential to seriously destabilize the platform, and further reduce the inflow of new funds.
I have invested additional net funds into Lendy during 2018, including earlier this month, however I think it unlikely I will be providing any new funds until such time as Lendy's future plan for the business is coherent.
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Post by mary on Oct 29, 2018 17:17:53 GMT
The only certainty is that, in a distressed sale, all prior valuations go out the window.
Whilst such an exit route may produce some funds quicker, it is most likely those funds will be far less than otherwise, in the majority of loans. Obviously there are some complete turkeys where any return would be welcome!
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boundah
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Post by boundah on Oct 29, 2018 17:24:01 GMT
I for one would be ecstatic to take a haircut if it got my zombie loanbook off my chest.
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invester
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Post by invester on Oct 29, 2018 17:27:24 GMT
Lendy Support I hope you appreciate that this report in the FT today hard on the heels of the recent resignations by a number of senior employees has the potential to seriously destabilize the platform, and further reduce the inflow of new funds.
I have invested additional net funds into Lendy during 2018, including earlier this month, however I think it unlikely I will be providing any new funds until such time as Lendy's future plan for the business is coherent.
'Potential'? It already has. In my view Wealth was only set up as an answer to the problem of tranches not getting funded. You would think that they might choose to write a response on the website, but the guy that would have written it seems to have left. You would think that they could choose to trade their way out of it, but the guy that would have originated the deals also seems to have left.
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jeremy12
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Post by jeremy12 on Oct 29, 2018 17:29:30 GMT
That pretty much sums it up. Well said.
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Post by bg on Oct 29, 2018 17:31:11 GMT
Lendy - P2P Independent forum platform of the year 2015, runner up 2016, 8th place 2017.
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jeremy12
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Post by jeremy12 on Oct 29, 2018 17:43:26 GMT
There's a trend there...
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snowmobile
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Post by snowmobile on Oct 29, 2018 17:48:29 GMT
Indeed. Collateral was 3rd in 2016, runner up in 2017 and look where they are in 2018!
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Post by snowmobile on Oct 29, 2018 17:54:09 GMT
There was a post on here late last night, claiming directors were in talks to sell the loan book at deep discounts.
That post, along with a number of others by the new poster 'cazzy', has since been deleted.
The FT article hadn't been published then. Inside knowledge from a disgruntled ex employee perhaps?
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Post by agent69 on Oct 29, 2018 18:02:54 GMT
Not again!
I was on holiday Feb / Mach time in New Zealand. One minute I'm watching a geyser erupt in Rotorua, the next minute I log on to the forum and Collateral have gone pop. Now I'm on my way to Bali and this happens. It's enough to put you off your lobster thermidor.
For those that need any advance notification of the next platform to hit the buffers, I'm off to the Caribbean in February.
PS - don't forget nobody has ever lost money with Lendy
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Post by boundah on Oct 29, 2018 18:06:59 GMT
Don't want to set any hares running but I've been unable to get the LY website up for the last half hour - constant server timeouts.
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