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Post by gadget on Sept 21, 2014 14:57:45 GMT
Who are they?
I thought it was general consumer loans (cars etc) plus some innovative stuff like their giff-gaff deals. However i've dipped a little money in and it looks like we're talking about large property loans as well.
Looking at my loan contracts (1 year bonds) i see that two out of two are part of very significant 6 figure loans secured against property. If ratesetter are doing lots of say property bridging loans then personally it changes the whole proposition. These may all go bad at roughly the same time if (i mean when) the property market goes bad and the provision fund could disappear faster than a snowman in July...
So is there more info on exactly what the loans are for in general?
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Post by spiral on Sept 21, 2014 18:00:10 GMT
two out of two are part of very significant 6 figure loans secured against property Where do you see this, my contracts give no info on loan size, only term, rate and whether secured or not.
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Post by gadget on Sept 21, 2014 21:46:28 GMT
Where do you see this, my contracts give no info on loan size, only term, rate and whether secured or not. In the actual contract document. The first page just gives the summary you mention but the other pages give the actual terms (with a lot of XXXX)
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Post by baz657 on Sept 21, 2014 23:18:36 GMT
Where do you see this, my contracts give no info on loan size, only term, rate and whether secured or not. Same for me although I only have 3 and 5 year loans out there and no 1 year bonds.
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Post by spiral on Sept 22, 2014 16:40:33 GMT
As baz657 says, definitely not there for 5 yr contracts. It seems strange that 1yr contracts would contain different info to longer contracts.
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Post by sl75 on Sept 25, 2014 10:49:03 GMT
As baz657 says, definitely not there for 5 yr contracts. It seems strange that 1yr contracts would contain different info to longer contracts. I've never had a 1yr contract, so can't examine the detail, but maybe it needs additional terms to take into account the effect on that contract of the borrower's actions w.r.t. the 1 month contracts that also make up their loan, and the synthetic contract for up to 24 months that includes the 1 year bond? Detail that would not be needed for the 36 month and longer products as these are currently matched 1:1 between borrowers and lenders, or for the 1 month product which does not itself depend on the performance of any other contract. e.g. if the borrower defaults 6 months into an 18 or 24 month loan, it would presumably be necessary to trigger a payment from the provision fund to the 1 year lender(s) despite the fact that no payment was yet due on THAT contract.
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Post by gadget on Sept 25, 2014 18:00:35 GMT
So checking my small portfolio it looks like only my 1 year bonds state the full loan amount.
Anyway must be other people with 1 year bonds. Can anyone reassure me that it's not entirely property loans? Another went today... and again it was a big six figure loan backed by "freehold property"
Or more generally can anyone point in the direction of what the general distribution of ratesetter loans are? Anything more detailed than the info on the "Ratesetters" page
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Post by spiral on Sept 25, 2014 18:35:35 GMT
I suppose that putting a property up as security is not quite the same as lending for a property which may be what is occurring. Perhaps above a certain loan amount, security is required and for most people, the only 6 figure security that could be put up would be their home.
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Post by spanner on Sept 26, 2014 13:18:26 GMT
Hi,
I'm new to the forum as a poster but have been reading for some time. I have lent money with RS and, until now, have always assumed that I was lending to individuals (not companies, not property developers). Something I heard the other day made me take a look at the RS website to try to discover exactly where my money was being used. I couldn't find any breakdown, nor could I find anywhere where it described, in general terms, who I was lending to. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Cheers,
Spanner
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Post by spiral on Sept 26, 2014 13:51:09 GMT
Just copied this from their FAQ:
Who am I lending to?
RateSetter is an anonymous service. The only details you will have about the Borrower is a reference number and the details of how much money they want to borrow, the APR they want to pay and the length of their loan. All credit, affordability and suitability checking is done by RateSetter, and is not displayed on our website.
Some other peer-to-peer sites let you judge the potential borrowers so you can make a decision about a specific borrower or types of borrowers. At RateSetter we do the work for you – we take borrower applications, vet them, and take a Credit Rate from successful applicants which grows the Provision Fund. We think this is a simple way of managing risk. The borrowers who are accepted are creditworthy and can afford the loan - what is sometimes called "prime". The borrowers are usually looking for a loan for a car, a home improvement or a big ticket expense or investment. We have some basic rules: borrowers must be over a certain age, have a regular monthly income, and have a sound credit history. The vast majority of loans are unsecured but we also accept some secured loans which would mean a stringent verification process. We carefully examine their credit file and circumstance to understand their financial position and ability to service the loan. We will often ask for confirmation or proof of certain details. We don’t judge simply on the basis of how much they want to borrow: it is very important to understand whether the loan is affordable for the borrower in the context of his or her monthly outgoings. This stringent process means that we actually decline the majority of applications. Those who are accepted are exactly the people that our lenders would expect: creditworthy borrowers who can sensibly afford a loan.
The words used are "borrower" and although you tend to read it as an individual, you could substitute company and it would still read OK. It doesn't mention companies, nor does it exclude them so none the wiser really.
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Post by Investor on Sept 26, 2014 14:26:59 GMT
Although when the word borrower is used in this context
"whether the loan is affordable for the borrower in the context of his or her monthly outgoings" you would have to believe that changing the word borrower for company would make little sense and that the sentence definitely points to a borrower being a single identifiable individual.
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Post by spanner on Sept 27, 2014 18:14:53 GMT
Ok, so we assume (because of what RS' website implies) that we are lending to individuals. Why doesn't RS say explicitly that they only lend to individuals? An individual loan of high 6 figures in size is pretty punchy... How do I get more comfortable that they know what they're doing with our money - I mean the track record's great, but it sounds like they're behaving like a bank without the regulation?
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Post by gadget on Sept 28, 2014 15:38:58 GMT
I suppose that putting a property up as security is not quite the same as lending for a property which may be what is occurring. Perhaps above a certain loan amount, security is required and for most people, the only 6 figure security that could be put up would be their home. Yup it certainly could be a loan secured against property rather than a property loan itself. As we're talking about high six figure sums (500k+) it must be related to business or property. That isn't what ratesetter implies regarding their loans.
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