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Post by zlb on Nov 26, 2018 11:29:33 GMT
I'd say more or less the same as I said at the end of this thread, below. People who seek to rock the boat and have everyone thrown out so that someone else comes and rescues them? I'd suggest taking up the offer of the phone call to Ly, where you sign a NDA rather than creating panic and risk for all concerned. p2pindependentforum.com/thread/13576/lendy-seeks-fca-help?page=7
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Post by star dust on Nov 26, 2018 18:58:01 GMT
If anyone still thinks the FCA stepping in and/or the appointment of Administrators is in any way some kind of viable alternative take a cautionary read of the SIX months (but NINE months after the event) Administrators Report on Collateral - it's only 23 pages and worth the read. £315k capital has been "recovered" (£105k of that in the last six months) and BDO administrators fee's to date are £350k - no signs of optimism in the report that things will get any/much better.
I'm sure Lendy would be a different case, but don't make the mistake of thinking the outcome would be any better.
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Post by TitoPuente on Nov 26, 2018 21:27:25 GMT
It's time the regulator forced Lendy into administration, and loan agreements transferred to investors, particularly with a potential property crash getting ever closer with several successive months of flat-lining and receding prices - Valuations aren't going to get much better than they currently are. I've submitted a 17 page fact file to BBC's Watchdog, anyone else of a similar mindset ought consider doing the same, it has a habit of making regulators and Ombudsman prick their ears up, and thousands of "investors" speak out, as well as condemnation by other successful platforms. Waiting for Lendy to work through £130m of ever increasing distressed loans is foolhardy, they have neither the skills, manpower or any sense of urgency, they can't even keep in regular communications anymore, and they can't fund any of the upcoming tranches either. As others have pointed out Lendy are still turning a profit while investors have been taken to the cleaners. This isn't a situation that will continue forever with no new investments, the pyramid will collapse and the time to act will have passed. Their recovery ability is limited to the one or two percent they make on loans, rather than the 12pc we're owed, to say nothing for capital itself. The regulator needs to be made aware that this situation is untenable in the long term, and is simply placing investor funds at even further risk by plodding along at a snail's pace while everyone is pointing the finger of blame but doing nothing about it other than complaining at each other. Sitting about on a little corner of the internet hoping Lendy will still be here next month and waiting for repayment emails which may never come isn't going to make this bad situation any less bad, it's inviting it to get worse. Action needs to be taken immediately, by all investors. FSA and Ombudsman complaints are the only way to get things moving before there's no Lendy left to move. I would urge every investor to follow Lendy's complaints procedure with detailed concerns in order to obtain a final response, and then immediately proceed to the Ombudsman. While you wait for a final response in the mean time I would suggest beginning to collate information detailing how and why you believe Lendy has arrived in it's current state, and why you might feel that their recovery action simply isn't producing results at a reasonable standard. The PR disaster means no new investors are coming on board, and that is no fault of investors. Lendy have absolutely no business launching a 2nd "Wealth" product with their current track record, it's trying to put out a fire with petrol. At the very least we may be able to walk away with new regulations to ensure this sub-prime lending debacle isn't allowed to trap innocent unsophisticated and retail investors in future. NO
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 0:20:05 GMT
Even a glance at the latest Collateral report should expose the naivety behind the idea that another bunch of bureaucratic/parasitic paper-pushers who bill by the hour will somehow be anybody's saviour.
It's almost like some sheep enjoy being sheared.
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Post by rocky1 on Nov 27, 2018 6:42:38 GMT
would lendy make available to download my loan contracts between myself and the details of what i have signed up for by lending[not investing]to these people/SPVs/LTD.COs.it seems lendy are clinging on at the moment,but with nothing getting anywhere near funded and not likely to for the forseeable it does not look good for any of us.our biggest borrower recently had 2 ccjs against him for a mere 8k, ok lendy say this has now been sorted but does not give much hope for the millions tied up waiting for refinance on pie in the sky GDVs that are going to bite us all in the ar*e.as these loans are between myself and many different entities am i not entitled to a copy of each contract or have i lost that right by agreeing to lendys T@Cs.as with a lot of lenders i am finding all this p2p business very frustrating at the moment and whether i have been stupid/niave/to trusting or whatever this is certainly not what my idea of what P2P lending is all about.i really hope lendy are around long enough to salvage the best returns for all lenders. was hoping somebody on here would know where we stand regarding our loan contracts.every one of these borrowers must have breached lendys/our loan agreements one way or another and as with the london loan lendy seem to be prepared to leave lenders on their own once they can cover their own ars*e and wriggle out of it.why now cannot i pursue these individual borrowers myself as i am quite prepared to go down the claims and ccj route on the amounts of capital+IA+BA that i am owed.
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Post by cashmax on Nov 27, 2018 8:17:46 GMT
If anyone still thinks the FCA stepping in and/or the appointment of Administrators is in any way some kind of viable alternative take a cautionary read of the SIX months (but NINE months after the event) Administrators Report on Collateral - it's only 23 pages and worth the read. £315k capital has been "recovered" (£105k of that in the last six months) and BDO administrators fee's to date are £350k - no signs of optimism in the report that things will get any/much better.
I'm sure Lendy would be a different case, but don't make the mistake of thinking the outcome would be any better.
I agree with this - but there is a difference. Lendy still has some cash in the business (PF fund etc) so if wrapped up now, things might not be as bad as collateral. But time is the enemy here. Each day that goes by burns operating capital, give the chance to divert effort/funds/value to another ring fenced operation and when we reach IVA scenarios, its just a pile of bones left to pick over.
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Post by shimself on Nov 27, 2018 9:19:08 GMT
If anyone still thinks the FCA stepping in and/or the appointment of Administrators is in any way some kind of viable alternative take a cautionary read of the SIX months (but NINE months after the event) Administrators Report on Collateral - it's only 23 pages and worth the read. £315k capital has been "recovered" (£105k of that in the last six months) and BDO administrators fee's to date are £350k - no signs of optimism in the report that things will get any/much better.
I'm sure Lendy would be a different case, but don't make the mistake of thinking the outcome would be any better.
But the FCA's action towards Collateral is not the same as the pre-approved wind up plan. Instead it's a meticilous (detailed, expensive) blame gathering exercise, whereupon what lenders require is efficient pragmatic recovery
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Post by zlb on Nov 27, 2018 10:40:59 GMT
In my opinion, at the moment, I consider people who succeed in trying to cause Ly to fail, would be directly responsible, imo for a delay in recovery of my investment, and a lessening of my investment where money had been diverted to an administrator.
How long does a claim against a RICS insured valuer take where the value at risk is as high as it is in some cases? My knowledge only roughly of something somewhat different but does involve insurance companies: 5-6 years is the standard time for personal injury claims that go to court, sometimes the court hearing date can be moved several months forward which would take it to 7 years.
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Post by Monetus on Nov 27, 2018 11:07:19 GMT
In my opinion, at the moment, I consider people who succeed in trying to cause Ly to fail, would be directly responsible, imo for a delay in recovery of my investment, and a lessening of my investment where money had been diverted to an administrator. How long does a claim against a RICS insured valuer take where the value at risk is as high as it is in some cases? My knowledge only roughly of something somewhat different but does involve insurance companies: 5-6 years is the standard time for personal injury claims that go to court, sometimes the court hearing date can be moved several months forward which would take it to 7 years. I have no intimate knowledge of this myself so take it with a pinch of salt but having spoken to a few people within the valuation industry I've been quoted anywhere between 12-24 months if a settlement can be agreed. If the matter is contested however and eventually ends up in court, you could be looking at 4-5 years or more.
From what I understand there is a sizeable "allowable margin of error" so the difference in valuation has to be very significant and you must also remember that you are suing the valuers insurance - not the valuer itself. Due to the high legal costs and skilled ability of insurance companies to "wriggle out" of matters, it often only makes sense to proceed if it's a real "open and shut" case where the valuation difference is vast and the chance of a settlement between the parties being agreed is fairly high.
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zlb
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Post by zlb on Nov 27, 2018 12:19:21 GMT
In my opinion, at the moment, I consider people who succeed in trying to cause Ly to fail, would be directly responsible, imo for a delay in recovery of my investment, and a lessening of my investment where money had been diverted to an administrator. How long does a claim against a RICS insured valuer take where the value at risk is as high as it is in some cases? My knowledge only roughly of something somewhat different but does involve insurance companies: 5-6 years is the standard time for personal injury claims that go to court, sometimes the court hearing date can be moved several months forward which would take it to 7 years. I have no intimate knowledge of this myself so take it with a pinch of salt but having spoken to a few people within the valuation industry I've been quoted anywhere between 12-24 months if a settlement can be agreed. If the matter is contested however and eventually ends up in court, you could be looking at 4-5 years or more.
From what I understand there is a sizeable "allowable margin of error" so the difference in valuation has to be very significant and you must also remember that you are suing the valuers insurance - not the valuer itself. Due to the high legal costs and skilled ability of insurance companies to "wriggle out" of matters, it often only makes sense to proceed if it's a real "open and shut" case where the valuation difference is vast and the chance of a settlement between the parties being agreed is fairly high. Precisely - my point being (for other readers) if contested I would expect it to take many years. It's highly likely that the insurance company would contest it, imo - hence injury claims taking many years. Insurance companies don't like to pay out, of course - imo the instruction to the insurance company's solicitor will be to pay nothing. Could this kind of claim then go to appeal? I think I saw the margin of (valuation) error somewhere - maybe on this forum - if that was correct, then there are some valuations which one would sensibly pursue. If the valuation category is the same as I can see referenced on RICs website, a 10-15% valuation error has precedent of being awarded "depending upon the facts". I haven't a clue otherwise - but I don't envisage myself to be the "victim" of a company (Ly) who are saying that they are pursuing a legal process when, in fact, they aren't at all. I imagine there will be a range of things which might be used to dodge the question. Can the FCA overrule the established legal process? I doubt it.
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Post by nsinvestor on Nov 27, 2018 17:15:30 GMT
Valuations are also only as good as the assumptions made. If you read the valuation reports on Lendy, so many have lists of assumptions that the valuers will be able to hide behind .. they should have been drilled into by Lendy as part of underwriting due diligence but of course they weren't and Lendy were happy to allow the headline numbers to be used.
Likewise, with DFL we won't know how good or bad a lot of the valuations were as they are based on completed projects and in the Lendy DFL that have turned sour, frequently the works have not been done as promised so we are left with a fire sale of partially completed sites
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Post by TenKay on Nov 27, 2018 18:08:41 GMT
I just want my money back. At the moment Lendy appear to be doing nothing to make it happen so I'd like the administrators in to get the wheels turning. sure they will get the wheels turning, very slowly and charge you through the nose for the pleasure
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Post by zccax77 on Nov 27, 2018 18:16:59 GMT
I just want my money back. At the moment Lendy appear to be doing nothing to make it happen so I'd like the administrators in to get the wheels turning. sure they will get the wheels turning, very slowly and charge you through the nose for the pleasure Unfortunately it is better the devil we know!
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Post by Mucho P2P on Nov 27, 2018 18:30:54 GMT
I just want my money back. At the moment Lendy appear to be doing nothing to make it happen so I'd like the administrators in to get the wheels turning. sure they will get the wheels turning, very slowly and charge you through the nose for the pleasure All that will happen is that the Administrators will take over full and complete control of all funds and operations, then they will get their bean counters to charge YOU for everything they can possibly think up, from travel at 45p per mile, to overnight accomodation, to their salaries for so many "professionals" that they are and will also need to supposedly hire to unravel the complexities of the loans and to interact with the other individual loan administrators and Courts. I have seen it so many times before. Once the administrators and/or lawyers get involved, you might as well kiss goodbye not only to most of your capital but also to any hope of getting a decent portion of it back.
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Post by Garage246 on Nov 27, 2018 18:41:16 GMT
sure they will get the wheels turning, very slowly and charge you through the nose for the pleasure All that will happen is that the Administrators will take over full and complete control of all funds and operations, then they will get their bean counters to charge YOU for everything they can possibly think up, from travel at 45p per mile, to overnight accomodation, to their salaries for so many "professionals" that they are and will also need to supposedly hire to unravel the complexities of the loans and to interact with the other individual loan administrators and Courts. I have seen it so many times before. Once the administrators and/or lawyers get involved, you might as well kiss goodbye not only to most of your capital but also to any hope of getting a decent portion of it back.Absolutely. Administrators will bleed things dry. It's not a great way forward at all in my view.
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