ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 24, 2014 21:47:57 GMT
The valuation document states a value of between 4.5m and 5m Euros which currently converts to between approximately 3.5m and 3.9m Pounds Sterling. The loan page shows a value of 4.66m Pounds Sterling. Anyone else spotted this? Valuation document is nearly a year out of date so wouLd assume some depreciation as well. .
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 24, 2014 21:49:01 GMT
The valuation document states a value of between 4.5m and 5m Euros which currently converts to between approximately 3.5m and 3.9m Pounds Sterling. The loan page shows a value of 4.66m Pounds Sterling. Anyone else spotted this? I hadn't. Could savingstream please tell us where the £4.66M valuation came from? I also hadn't noticed this...
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Post by star dust on Sept 24, 2014 22:00:10 GMT
The valuer didn't actually see the Boat either, and indicated huge volatility in sale prices. My comfort blanket was that Lendy said they had a potential purchaser prepared to pay £2m - hope they're still there in 6 months if needs be, I'm sure £700k must be someway off rock bottom in any event. In edit cross posted again .
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Post by star dust on Sept 24, 2014 22:09:35 GMT
Did anyone ask if the Boat is/will be in captivity or still roaming free?
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Post by j on Sept 24, 2014 22:18:55 GMT
Did anyone ask if the Boat is/will be in captivity or still roaming free? can savingstream oblige us with an answer?
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Post by sammy on Sept 24, 2014 22:31:18 GMT
Did anyone ask if the Boat is/will be in captivity or still roaming free? can savingstream oblige us with an answer? From what I believe, the boat has to be in captivity when they loan the monies and SS hold all the docs for that.
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Post by savingstream on Sept 25, 2014 7:18:19 GMT
The vessel is secured in its home marina for the period of the loan. The discrepancy in valuation was down to us using the same fx rate from 12 months ago to calculate £4.66M from €5m. We are happy to reduce the value down to match todays GBP-EUR fx rate.
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Post by Liz on Sept 25, 2014 11:08:01 GMT
Still very low LTV.
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Post by star dust on Feb 20, 2015 20:45:16 GMT
I thought I was seeing things this evening, but I've double checked from my frequent downloads and it seems that the "Max term remaining" has increased by about 9 days sometime between Monday and tonight! It's showing as 41 days at the moment, whereas if it was the same length as on Monday it should be showing 32 days.
Whilst I guess this makes no odds really, nine days extra interest won't hurt, if it is not repaid at the original term (i.e in 32 days time), then I assume that people who purchased loan parts with upfront interest would be free to sell them, and would start accruing interest at the daily rate until the loan is repaid if they chose not to sell any. Something to keep an eye on I guess, I am a bit surprised it hasn't been mentioned by SS.
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Post by j on Feb 20, 2015 21:42:49 GMT
I thought I was seeing things this evening, but I've double checked from my frequent downloads and it seems that the "Max term remaining" has increased by about 9 days sometime between Monday and tonight! It's showing as 41 days at the moment, whereas if it was the same length as on Monday it should be showing 32 days. Whilst I guess this makes no odds really, nine days extra interest won't hurt, if it is not repaid at the original term (i.e in 32 days time), then I assume that people who purchased loan parts with upfront interest would be free to sell them, and would start accruing interest at the daily rate until the loan is repaid if they chose not to sell any. Something to keep an eye on I guess, I am a bit surprised it hasn't been mentioned by SS. Well spotted. I was under the same impression as I opted for upfront interest & am waiting for the capital return to utilize elsewhere. Would savingstream care to comment?
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 20, 2015 22:59:18 GMT
I thought I was seeing things this evening, but I've double checked from my frequent downloads and it seems that the "Max term remaining" has increased by about 9 days sometime between Monday and tonight! It's showing as 41 days at the moment, whereas if it was the same length as on Monday it should be showing 32 days. Whilst I guess this makes no odds really, nine days extra interest won't hurt, if it is not repaid at the original term (i.e in 32 days time), then I assume that people who purchased loan parts with upfront interest would be free to sell them, and would start accruing interest at the daily rate until the loan is repaid if they chose not to sell any. Something to keep an eye on I guess, I am a bit surprised it hasn't been mentioned by SS. Well spotted. I was under the same impression as I opted for upfront interest & am waiting for the capital return to utilize elsewhere. Would savingstream care to comment? I'm not sure SS always have been consistent with their calculations of 'Max term remaining'. For instance, look at the loan in the list right below the superyacht (2007 Narrowboat 60'). It shows a 'Loan start date' of 18/Sep, which is five days before the 23/Sep shown for the superyacht, yet it is showing 58 days remaining, and presumably both loans started out as six-month loans. Perhaps that's a bad presumption. IIRC, SS used to say loans were for six months, but allowed an extra month of 'slack' for repayment, so the boat loans all started with about 210 days remaining. The narrowboat loan is consistent with that -- seven months after 18/Sep would be 18/Apr, and that's just about 58 days after today, 20/Feb. This wouldn't be a real concern if it weren't for the upfront interest option. Someone who opted for upfront interest, and received six month's worth, ought to be able to offer their parts for sale as soon as the six months is up. For the superyacht, that ought to be on 23/Mar. That's consistent with the days remaining as they used to be, but not with the reported change to 41 days as reported by star dust above. (I also note that when I just checked the days remaining, it was showing 40 days.) j: Can you check your statement to see when exactly the loan went live and you received your upfront interest? I wonder if SS have had contact with the superyacht borrower this week and the expected repayment date has been changed slightly. As others have noted, we need some input from savingstream to clarify the situation.
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Post by j on Feb 21, 2015 17:43:10 GMT
Well spotted. I was under the same impression as I opted for upfront interest & am waiting for the capital return to utilize elsewhere. Would savingstream care to comment? j: Can you check your statement to see when exactly the loan went live and you received your upfront interest? Loan start date 23/9/14. Interest (upfront) paid 1/10/14 which I assume is when I invested (i.e. not immediately on day loan went live). It is now showing as 151 days old with 40 days left. Not a problem really I'm sure for most of us but, an explanation from savingstream as to the anomaly would be appropriate as some if us could already have plans for cash expected on x day but being repaid on y day a few days later!
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 21, 2015 20:32:45 GMT
j: Can you check your statement to see when exactly the loan went live and you received your upfront interest? Loan start date 23/9/14. Interest (upfront) paid 1/10/14 which I assume is when I invested (i.e. not immediately on day loan went live). It is now showing as 151 days old with 40 days left. Not a problem really I'm sure for most of us but, an explanation from savingstream as to the anomaly would be appropriate as some if us could already have plans for cash expected on x day but being repaid on y day a few days later!
j: Unless you know that you didn't invest as soon as the loan went live, I'd guess that you invested then or very shortly thereafter. I certainly doubt you invested eight days later, as I don't think this loan was live for that long before being filled. (Of course, you could have made your investment via the secondary market, so I can't be sure.) The 'Loan start date' might not be the day the loan becomes available for investment. I don't know what triggers that date -- no doubt savingstream could tell us -- but perhaps it's something like the day the borrower applies for the loan, or maybe the day SS make the offer to the borrower. The superyacht loan has a further complication in that the current loan was a renewal of an earlier loan. Anyway, today is 151 days after 23/Sep, and 40 days from now is 2/Apr which is just about exactly six months after 1/Oct.
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Post by j on Feb 21, 2015 20:53:53 GMT
Loan start date 23/9/14. Interest (upfront) paid 1/10/14 which I assume is when I invested (i.e. not immediately on day loan went live). It is now showing as 151 days old with 40 days left. Not a problem really I'm sure for most of us but, an explanation from savingstream as to the anomaly would be appropriate as some if us could already have plans for cash expected on x day but being repaid on y day a few days later!
j: Unless you know that you didn't invest as soon as the loan went live, I'd guess that you invested then or very shortly thereafter. I certainly doubt you invested eight days later, as I don't think this loan was live for that long before being filled. (Of course, you could have made your investment via the secondary market, so I can't be sure.) The 'Loan start date' might not be the day the loan becomes available for investment. I don't know what triggers that date -- no doubt savingstream could tell us -- but perhaps it's something like the day the borrower applies for the loan, or maybe the day SS make the offer to the borrower. The superyacht loan has a further complication in that the current loan was a renewal of an earlier loan. Anyway, today is 151 days after 23/Sep, and 40 days from now is 2/Apr which is just about exactly six months after 1/Oct. The only way is for savingstream to clarify the matter then. I hope one is forthcoming
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Post by star dust on Feb 22, 2015 17:28:55 GMT
I bought most of my holding as monthly interest when it went live on 23 Sept, but I have bought two small parts on the SM since with upfront interest. Using my transaction history and taking the purchase date and the amount of upfront interest received, then my upfront interest for both parts (bought at different times) runs up to the 25th March. The current end date as j notes is 2nd April. I hope savingstream will clarify. One thing this has highlighted yet again is how misleading the 'interest' figures in the 'Live Loan Parts' tab is, the upfront interest parts look identical to any other. I will repeat my and others requests for loan part interest to be shown as both the paid amount and accruing amounts, separately with total as extra if desired. As currently portrayed, coupled with my fairly frequent 'sales' it tells me virtually nothing, and is an almost meaningless figure. Time for a change methinks savingstream .
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