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Post by sydb on Dec 28, 2018 13:48:12 GMT
I am under the impression that 0.6% is charged for (early) withdrawal. I just followed the steps to withdraw some money. The amount I am being told I will be charged works out to about 1.3%.
Can't find a thread mentioning this. Can anybody explain it to me, please? Thanks.
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Post by Ukmikk on Dec 28, 2018 14:08:25 GMT
Possibly if you sold loans at old rates (less than the current 6.5%) then you would have to pay the difference in compensation to the purchaser as they would not want to buy the loan at a rate less than the current going rate. This in addition to the sell out fee to the platform.
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Post by sydb on Dec 29, 2018 0:23:14 GMT
Thank you!
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Post by easylender on Dec 29, 2018 13:30:01 GMT
This is the consequence of the current LW operating model in which lenders can only sell at a discount if the current lending rate is higher than the original lending rate of the loans. I suspect that this may be a contributing factor to the current build up of idle funds. I am sure that many of the lenders with funds lying idle would be happy to buy loans at 6% instead of waiting weeks or months for one at 6.5%, and more lenders with old 6% loans would be happier to sell too. I appreciate that LW are trying to keep things simple and transparent for all concerned, but in my opinion they have not got this right yet.
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Post by Ace on Dec 29, 2018 14:31:24 GMT
Each to his own, but personally I think the current system works well. I doubt that there are many lenders that want out but aren't willing to suffer the extra 0.5% fee on the few loans that they've had at the recent 6.5% rate. So, I doubt that it is contributing to the lack of available loans to any significant degree.
If I'm wrong, it would be interesting to hear from anyone who is wanting out, but is unwilling to do so because of this fee.
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Post by r00lish67 on Dec 29, 2018 14:54:52 GMT
This is the consequence of the current LW operating model in which lenders can only sell at a discount if the current lending rate is higher than the original lending rate of the loans. I suspect that this may be a contributing factor to the current build up of idle funds. I am sure that many of the lenders with funds lying idle would be happy to buy loans at 6% instead of waiting weeks or months for one at 6.5%, and more lenders with old 6% loans would be happier to sell too. I appreciate that LW are trying to keep things simple and transparent for all concerned, but in my opinion they have not got this right yet. I do agree that the balance isn't quite right here. Matthew , are LendingWorks looking at any solutions to better balance supply and demand? It does seem counter-intuitive to be offering your highest ever rates whilst simultaneously frustrating new lenders by leaving their funds unlent for fairly long periods of time. The ideal lender-centric solution in my view would be to offer lenders to be paid interest on the day their funds are deposited with Lendingworks and have 'the gap' be funded out of a slight reduction in the interest rate on offer. My head isn't in a suitable place to do the maths, but I suspect a cut of as little as 0.1% might be sufficient to effectively pay for the wait period.
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Post by Ukmikk on Dec 29, 2018 17:55:21 GMT
This is the consequence of the current LW operating model in which lenders can only sell at a discount if the current lending rate is higher than the original lending rate of the loans. I suspect that this may be a contributing factor to the current build up of idle funds. I am sure that many of the lenders with funds lying idle would be happy to buy loans at 6% instead of waiting weeks or months for one at 6.5%, and more lenders with old 6% loans would be happier to sell too. I appreciate that LW are trying to keep things simple and transparent for all concerned, but in my opinion they have not got this right yet. I do agree that the balance isn't quite right here. Matthew , are LendingWorks looking at any solutions to better balance supply and demand? It does seem counter-intuitive to be offering your highest ever rates whilst simultaneously frustrating new lenders by leaving their funds unlent for fairly long periods of time. The ideal lender-centric solution in my view would be to offer lenders to be paid interest on the day their funds are deposited with Lendingworks and have 'the gap' be funded out of a slight reduction in the interest rate on offer. My head isn't in a suitable place to do the maths, but I suspect a cut of as little as 0.1% might be sufficient to effectively pay for the wait period. I would not support a rate cut for reinvested money to simply benefit new money. I prefer easylender's suggestion above which allows new money to take a voluntary rate cut in order to buy up old loans at old rates, thus getting invested more quickly and also benefitting the sellers who avoid a haircut on selling their loans.
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Post by Matthew on Jan 1, 2019 18:37:03 GMT
This is the consequence of the current LW operating model in which lenders can only sell at a discount if the current lending rate is higher than the original lending rate of the loans. I suspect that this may be a contributing factor to the current build up of idle funds. I am sure that many of the lenders with funds lying idle would be happy to buy loans at 6% instead of waiting weeks or months for one at 6.5%, and more lenders with old 6% loans would be happier to sell too. I appreciate that LW are trying to keep things simple and transparent for all concerned, but in my opinion they have not got this right yet. I do agree that the balance isn't quite right here. Matthew , are LendingWorks looking at any solutions to better balance supply and demand? It does seem counter-intuitive to be offering your highest ever rates whilst simultaneously frustrating new lenders by leaving their funds unlent for fairly long periods of time. The ideal lender-centric solution in my view would be to offer lenders to be paid interest on the day their funds are deposited with Lendingworks and have 'the gap' be funded out of a slight reduction in the interest rate on offer. My head isn't in a suitable place to do the maths, but I suspect a cut of as little as 0.1% might be sufficient to effectively pay for the wait period. Hi r00lish67The recent slowdown in matching times has been largely caused by a delay to a large loan distribution partner going live. We raised rates in expectation that this partner would be going live on 10th December, however this is now scheduled for early January. In the meantime, we've had a large inflow of investor funds which are slightly ahead of the curve. Going forward, we should see a much better equilibrium. In answer to your second point - this sounds like it would come with a significant amount of regulatory risk. It seems to me that if Lending Works paid interest on your deposits, before they were invested in loans, then we would effectively be deposit-taking and would need to be regulated accordingly. Happy to consider any solution which would make queuing for loans more palatable though. Thanks
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Post by macq on Jan 1, 2019 20:06:37 GMT
I do agree that the balance isn't quite right here. Matthew , are LendingWorks looking at any solutions to better balance supply and demand? It does seem counter-intuitive to be offering your highest ever rates whilst simultaneously frustrating new lenders by leaving their funds unlent for fairly long periods of time. The ideal lender-centric solution in my view would be to offer lenders to be paid interest on the day their funds are deposited with Lendingworks and have 'the gap' be funded out of a slight reduction in the interest rate on offer. My head isn't in a suitable place to do the maths, but I suspect a cut of as little as 0.1% might be sufficient to effectively pay for the wait period. Hi r00lish67 The recent slowdown in matching times has been largely caused by a delay to a large loan distribution partner going live. We raised rates in expectation that this partner would be going live on 10th December, however this is now scheduled for early January. In the meantime, we've had a large inflow of investor funds which are slightly ahead of the curve. Going forward, we should see a much better equilibrium. In answer to your second point - this sounds like it would come with a significant amount of regulatory risk. It seems to me that if Lending Works paid interest on your deposits, before they were invested in loans, then we would effectively be deposit-taking and would need to be regulated accordingly. Happy to consider any solution which would make queuing for loans more palatable though. Thanks With deposited money what if it was paid as cashback and not interest while waiting?
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Post by Ukmikk on Jan 2, 2019 14:33:56 GMT
I do agree that the balance isn't quite right here. Matthew , are LendingWorks looking at any solutions to better balance supply and demand? It does seem counter-intuitive to be offering your highest ever rates whilst simultaneously frustrating new lenders by leaving their funds unlent for fairly long periods of time. The ideal lender-centric solution in my view would be to offer lenders to be paid interest on the day their funds are deposited with Lendingworks and have 'the gap' be funded out of a slight reduction in the interest rate on offer. My head isn't in a suitable place to do the maths, but I suspect a cut of as little as 0.1% might be sufficient to effectively pay for the wait period. Hi r00lish67The recent slowdown in matching times has been largely caused by a delay to a large loan distribution partner going live. We raised rates in expectation that this partner would be going live on 10th December, however this is now scheduled for early January. In the meantime, we've had a large inflow of investor funds which are slightly ahead of the curve. Going forward, we should see a much better equilibrium. In answer to your second point - this sounds like it would come with a significant amount of regulatory risk. It seems to me that if Lending Works paid interest on your deposits, before they were invested in loans, then we would effectively be deposit-taking and would need to be regulated accordingly. Happy to consider any solution which would make queuing for loans more palatable though. Thanks Hi Matthew, there is another suggestion above which would incur no regulatory problems. What do you think? "I prefer easylender's suggestion above which allows new money to take a voluntary rate cut in order to buy up old loans at old rates, thus getting invested more quickly and also benefitting the sellers who avoid a haircut on selling their loans."
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Post by Matthew on Jan 2, 2019 14:51:07 GMT
Hi r00lish67 The recent slowdown in matching times has been largely caused by a delay to a large loan distribution partner going live. We raised rates in expectation that this partner would be going live on 10th December, however this is now scheduled for early January. In the meantime, we've had a large inflow of investor funds which are slightly ahead of the curve. Going forward, we should see a much better equilibrium. In answer to your second point - this sounds like it would come with a significant amount of regulatory risk. It seems to me that if Lending Works paid interest on your deposits, before they were invested in loans, then we would effectively be deposit-taking and would need to be regulated accordingly. Happy to consider any solution which would make queuing for loans more palatable though. Thanks Hi Matthew , there is another suggestion above which would incur no regulatory problems. What do you think? "I prefer easylender's suggestion above which allows new money to take a voluntary rate cut in order to buy up old loans at old rates, thus getting invested more quickly and also benefitting the sellers who avoid a haircut on selling their loans." Happy to look into a cashback option - it could kick in if matching times go beyond a certain agreed level e.g. 14 days. In the normal course of business it shouldn't be needed, but it would help in times like these. The issue with the rate cut option is that it's difficult to gauge how many people on both the buying and selling side would actually use it. We could create another secondary market for both sellers (i.e. sell now and incur an X% shortfall fee or wait for buyers at your rates and don't incur a fee) and buyers (buy now at X% or wait in the queue for Y%). There is something quite appealing about this for both sides, especially the seller where I can see this being a popular option if you have a window of required access e.g. no immediate need. However, as has been mentioned here before, waiting 30 days incurs roughly a 0.1% annualised reduction on current rates, so if you had an investor holding 6% loans (versus current rate of 6.5%) you'd have to be expecting a delay of 6 months for new money before it would be worth accepting this rate reduction for getting matched instantly. We would of course be completely transparent about this fact - do you think there would still be a demand on the buying side? Interested to hear your thoughts.
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Post by nesako on Jan 2, 2019 15:14:06 GMT
Hi Matthew , there is another suggestion above which would incur no regulatory problems. What do you think? "I prefer easylender's suggestion above which allows new money to take a voluntary rate cut in order to buy up old loans at old rates, thus getting invested more quickly and also benefitting the sellers who avoid a haircut on selling their loans." Happy to look into a cashback option - it could kick in if matching times go beyond a certain agreed level e.g. 14 days. In the normal course of business it shouldn't be needed, but it would help in times like these. The issue with the rate cut option is that it's difficult to gauge how many people on both the buying and selling side would actually use it. We could create another secondary market for both sellers (i.e. sell now and incur an X% shortfall fee or wait for buyers at your rates and don't incur a fee) and buyers (buy now at X% or wait in the queue for Y%). There is something quite appealing about this for both sides, especially the seller where I can see this being a popular option if you have a window of required access e.g. no immediate need. However, as has been mentioned here before, waiting 30 days incurs roughly a 0.1% annualised reduction on current rates, so if you had an investor holding 6% loans (versus current rate of 6.5%) you'd have to be expecting a delay of 6 months for new money before it would be worth accepting this rate reduction for getting matched instantly. We would of course be completely transparent about this fact - do you think there would still be a demand on the buying side? Interested to hear your thoughts. This is assuming: people will be actually holding all the money for the whole 5 years and there will not be any early repayments for any of the loans, all loans will have a 5-year term and rates will stay at 6.5% or will keep going up. Almost impossible scenario for most, so in reality, purchasing loans at 6% vs 6.5% may not have a big difference for some. I must be one of the few who really wanted to reduce the stake due to Brexit uncertainty / more favourable climate for S&S investment, but my current effective exit "fee" is 1.4% of the investment and I do feel sort of "stuck" now. If rates go up yet again to say 7%, then exiting would be even more painful (to those who wish to reduce the investment).
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Post by Ukmikk on Jan 2, 2019 17:29:13 GMT
Hi Matthew , there is another suggestion above which would incur no regulatory problems. What do you think? "I prefer easylender's suggestion above which allows new money to take a voluntary rate cut in order to buy up old loans at old rates, thus getting invested more quickly and also benefitting the sellers who avoid a haircut on selling their loans." Happy to look into a cashback option - it could kick in if matching times go beyond a certain agreed level e.g. 14 days. In the normal course of business it shouldn't be needed, but it would help in times like these. The issue with the rate cut option is that it's difficult to gauge how many people on both the buying and selling side would actually use it. We could create another secondary market for both sellers (i.e. sell now and incur an X% shortfall fee or wait for buyers at your rates and don't incur a fee) and buyers (buy now at X% or wait in the queue for Y%). There is something quite appealing about this for both sides, especially the seller where I can see this being a popular option if you have a window of required access e.g. no immediate need. However, as has been mentioned here before, waiting 30 days incurs roughly a 0.1% annualised reduction on current rates, so if you had an investor holding 6% loans (versus current rate of 6.5%) you'd have to be expecting a delay of 6 months for new money before it would be worth accepting this rate reduction for getting matched instantly. We would of course be completely transparent about this fact - do you think there would still be a demand on the buying side? Interested to hear your thoughts. Matthew , You're right about the trade off but I think @nesako has expertly explained above why that doesn't always tell the whole story. Being prepared to buy old loans at their old rates would possibly suit some investors but not others, the key is giving a choice; 'Please tick the box if you would be happy to buy existing loans at their historical rates which may result in faster investment of funds" (for example). This gives an option to those investors and will also benefit potential sellers who may sell loans without penalties. Of course others may prefer to hold out for current rates if taking a longer term view of their holdings (I would fall into this camp). I wouldn't like to try and predict what the demand for this option might be on the buying side, but some threads on here do illustrate that cash drag and speed of deployment is a major factor in the thinking of at least some of your investors.
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Post by gravitykillz on Jan 9, 2019 22:47:25 GMT
Is 0.6% charged for the 3 year and 5 year ?
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Post by macq on Jan 10, 2019 8:12:35 GMT
Is 0.6% charged for the 3 year and 5 year ? Yes for both (plus the difference in rate if needed )
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