Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Feb 4, 2019 23:08:43 GMT
" As much as we may think this was planned for at inception there is little or no evidence of malfeasance. Poor management and operation is not the same."I'm sure it will all come out in the wash. Many of the original valuations bare little to no resemblance of what stuff is now being valued at default. The odd one being a tad wrong perhaps acceptable but so many being worth a fraction of what was projected... Hmmm, hence why I'd like to see some investigative action. I’d like to see the “forensic investigation” that has been mentioned on some loan updates extended across the full loan lifecycle. Who brought the loan to the platform and were they heavily incentivised? Which LY salesperson got the loan live/ filled and were they heavily incentivised? Who did the valuation and were they heavily incentivised? Who was monitoring the loans and were they heavily incentivised to keep one eye closed? Who was issuing more loans to the same borrower when said borrower wasn’t inside T&C on his other loans and were they heavily incentivised to keep one eye closed? Let’s just put it this way, everyone involved has made money from this scam apart from most investors. Is that an unlucky coincidence? Yes Charlie I would like things investigated too. I believe that the platform cannot make a profit unless the lenders also make a profit they are last in the pecking order. I also think regulations were changed where bonuses and incentives are only paid on satisfactory performance. Both platform and lenders get interest throughout the loan term. If payment not forthcoming nobody gets anything until final conclusion. Therefore it is in everybody’s interest to have a successful loan transaction. Anything else is speculation and anecdotal bias. Let’s get the provable facts not the somebody is getting a backhander and everybody else is corrupt line from disgruntled folk who just keep saying the same thing over and over hoping someone will listen without one shred of evidence.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 5, 2019 8:05:56 GMT
The thought of lobbing good money after bad to a "forensic investigation" of the route to market for these loans seems a bit like stable-door bolting to me. Let's remember one pertinent fact: Lendy are not bringing new loans forward.If they were, then looking at past mistakes wrt introducers, commission, same-borrower-multiple-loans et al might be important.
We all looked at the information we were presented, and we all made the decision that it was adequate to convince us to invest. Carping that it wasn't, after the event, seems to be buck-passing, at best. Nobody held any of us down and forced us to invest.
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Post by djp on Feb 5, 2019 13:47:31 GMT
The thought of lobbing good money after bad to a "forensic investigation" of the route to market for these loans seems a bit like stable-door bolting to me. Let's remember one pertinent fact: Lendy are not bringing new loans forward.If they were, then looking at past mistakes wrt introducers, commission, same-borrower-multiple-loans et al might be important.
We all looked at the information we were presented, and we all made the decision that it was adequate to convince us to invest. Carping that it wasn't, after the event, seems to be buck-passing, at best. Nobody held any of us down and forced us to invest.
We all looked at the information we were presented, and we all made the decision that it was adequate to convince us to invest. Carping that it wasn't, after the event, seems to be buck-passing, at best. Nobody held any of us down and forced us to invest.
Yeah right! And all that information presented was of course accurate, honest and screened by our wonderfuly appointed DD team within Lendy? ?
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Post by rocky1 on Feb 5, 2019 15:14:05 GMT
read lendys risk management section and wonder how the heck most of these borrowers got past the first 2 stages of their rigorous 5 stage DD.very misleading and thousands of lenders have been took in by lendys marketing.
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Post by ozboy on Feb 5, 2019 15:57:35 GMT
read lendys risk management section and wonder how the heck most of these borrowers got past the first 2 stages of their rigorous 5 stage DD.very misleading and thousands of lenders have been took in by lendys marketing.Ha Ha, and "marketing" is a euphemism for ........... Did Lendy and Funding Secure both attend the same " How To Start and Manage a P2P Platform" Course?
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Post by charliebrown on Feb 6, 2019 6:30:29 GMT
I’d like to see the “forensic investigation” that has been mentioned on some loan updates extended across the full loan lifecycle. Who brought the loan to the platform and were they heavily incentivised? Which LY salesperson got the loan live/ filled and were they heavily incentivised? Who did the valuation and were they heavily incentivised? Who was monitoring the loans and were they heavily incentivised to keep one eye closed? Who was issuing more loans to the same borrower when said borrower wasn’t inside T&C on his other loans and were they heavily incentivised to keep one eye closed? Let’s just put it this way, everyone involved has made money from this scam apart from most investors. Is that an unlucky coincidence? Anything else is speculation and anecdotal bias. I am not casting aspersions but I believe the FCA should investigate. Isn’t it a fact that Liam has made millions whilst millions of investors’ money is quite likely to disappear. It can be said that investors were not forced to invest but I’m not a fan of that argument. People still send money to the wealthy Nigerian Prince emails, no one forced them to, doesn’t mean it’s ok.
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Post by vfr800 on Feb 6, 2019 8:41:25 GMT
Anything else is speculation and anecdotal bias. I am not casting aspersions but I believe the FCA should investigate. Isn’t it a fact that Liam has made millions whilst millions of investors’ money is quite likely to disappear. It can be said that investors were not forced to invest but I’m not a fan of that argument. People still send money to the wealthy Nigerian Prince emails, no one forced them to, doesn’t mean it’s ok. Allegedly Liaim has been watching "The Wolf of Wall Street" over the past year to get ideas for a new film script.
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Post by loftankerman on Feb 6, 2019 12:13:20 GMT
It can be said that investors were not forced to invest but I'm not a fan of that argument. People still send money to the wealthy Nigerian Prince emails, no one forced them to, doesn't mean it’s ok. Sorry Charlie but I'm a big fan of the 'not forced to invest' argument, even when I'm on the losing side. Being in denial about my misjudgements and looking for a root cause honest or dishonest individual, company or circumstance to blame for my choices has no mileage in it. "I should have known better." is a less troubling state of mind.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 6, 2019 12:23:19 GMT
We all looked at the information we were presented, and we all made the decision that it was adequate to convince us to invest. Carping that it wasn't, after the event, seems to be buck-passing, at best. Nobody held any of us down and forced us to invest. Yeah right! And all that information presented was of course accurate, honest and screened by our wonderfuly appointed DD team within Lendy? ? Did you take the info presented at face value? Did you not do any of your own DD, even just reading the DD threads here?
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Post by brightspark on Feb 6, 2019 13:17:12 GMT
Are you suggesting that there was no duty of care in compiling the information that was presented? In anything but the most short of terms such an approach will attract nothing but unsound borrowers. That is not a business. It is akin to a Ponzi scheme.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 6, 2019 17:20:01 GMT
Are you suggesting that there was no duty of care in compiling the information that was presented? No, I'm not. Are you suggesting there's no onus on potential investors to do their own research outside of the presented material?
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Post by cashmax on Feb 6, 2019 17:20:27 GMT
Are you suggesting that there was no duty of care in compiling the information that was presented? In anything but the most short of terms such an approach will attract nothing but unsound borrowers. That is not a business. It is akin to a Ponzi scheme. Well if it transpires at any point that Lendy used investor funds for anything other than funding loans then there would be a case for it being an operation that was not compliant with the law. But frankly, I think it's doubtful that this happened, just more likely that Lendy has been run badly (for the interests of investors) skewed to return maximum profit to it's shareholders, for the longest possible time, regardless of the viability of the overall business case in the long term for both investors and borrowers. I suppose it might turn out to be proven that the valuations and other due diligence were so poor, that the directors are found to be liable, but I would also suppose that any profit has long been syphoned away to offshore accounts so liable or not, it won't be coming back to us. I sorry to say, I'm a fan of the "I should have known better" school of thought now, many folks were savvy enough to get in and out when the going was good (AKA Saving Stream) and before this started to implode and the one thing there can be little doubt of now is that implode it will. Personally, I'm putting it down to experience, half of me wants to see Liam and team get ripped a new one by the FCA and the administrators leach a living from the carcass, the other half of me wants to see a few grand come back over time, whilst they manage to recover some capital. But I'm only in for a few K's and I know some others are much more exposed, so likely feel differently. Edited to add - The only thing that confuses me if the PF. They are clearly not going to release it, so they must think there is a way to drain this fund in some way. I'll be watching closely to see what happens there.
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Post by picanto on Feb 7, 2019 12:37:03 GMT
The updates from Lendy's external legal and recovery partners on defaulted loans are due early this month, it is now the 7th so I wonder if they will actually be posted or not.
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Post by charliebrown on Feb 8, 2019 15:37:03 GMT
Sorry Charlie but I'm a big fan of the 'not forced to invest' argument, even when I'm on the losing side. Being in denial about my misjudgements and looking for a root cause honest or dishonest individual, company or circumstance to blame for my choices has no mileage in it. "I should have known better." is a less troubling state of mind. I agree with almost all of your posts and often give you a thumbs up. However, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. Investors are looking down the barrel of millions of pounds of losses here, dished out without a care in the world from what is an FCA approved platform. It’s not really adequate to just say well people shouldn’t have been so stupid. Where would we stop with this argument? Does this mean any crook can part people from their money with the simple defence that stupid people deserve to be taken advantage of.
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Post by harryvederci on Feb 8, 2019 15:57:50 GMT
see financial ombudsman decisions website, search input MT (the full title) Oct 2018 decision
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